Noahs ark

garee · Jul 31, 2019

Parables... the signified language of God are historically accurate just as the gospel message hid from the lost. .Two levels of understanding ..One purposely hid (no accident)

The first lessons by which Christ used to teach the disciples how to hear God. . . and not look to the flesh of each other, came as parables.. Comparing the things not seen to the same . . . faith to faith (2 Corinthians 4:18) And not the temporal seen to the same..(no faith)

That poetic language was spoken to them .The same used in Revelation 1 .Not only does he send it or inspire but also interprets it according to the "signified" language of God.

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and "signified it" by his angel unto his servant John:

Without parables the "signified" poetic language of God .Christ spoke not.

Without parable the apostles would still today be playing the Alpha male dog "whose the greatest". (kennel ration) Like for instance , what happened to that Jesus fellow that confuses the proper manner of spirit as the spirit of interpretation.? Does he not know how to walk by sight?The apostles having turned it upside down the "us" became walking by sights .The manner he rebuked the apostles...

The church does not define the "us" in Christ by what the eyes see he does through the parables .. Three times he hid it in a attempt for them to get past what the eyes see . and then the rebuke. . in effect ...Do not just look to the surface of the matter but compare the spiritual unseen to the same eternal .Not the temporal seen to the same...get the shovel out and dig you might find a pearl .

Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.
But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying. Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them "should be greatest".Luke 9 44-45

But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of..Luke 9

Again without parables the apostles would still be playing "who is the greatest" .This shows they had no faith coming the from the parable. One of the many manners God did bring prophecy.(prophecy)

Lanolin · Jul 31, 2019

in London, there are ravens in the tower of London. Pigeons used to hang out in trafalgar aquare. But dont know where the doves hang out.

I havent really thought much about the life of doves but considering the holy spirit came down like a dove on Jesus water baptism I think we ought to know more about these birds. And scripture says we need to be as harmless as doves.

Why should ravens get all the press. Its like rock music in churches everyone always worships to these rock band wannabees but nobody gives any attention to soothing lilt of the harpists. Why because theyve all pretty much left those churches and gone somewhere theres peace and quiet.

calibob · Jul 31, 2019

garee said:

Parables... the signified language of God are historically accurate just as the gospel message hid from the lost. .Two levels of understanding ..One purposely hid (no accident)

The first lessons by which Christ used to teach the disciples how to hear God. . . and not look to the flesh of each other, came as parables.. Comparing the things not seen to the same . . . faith to faith (2 Corinthians 4:18) And not the temporal seen to the same..(no faith)

That poetic language was spoken to them .The same used in Revelation 1 .Not only does he send it or inspire but also interprets it according to the "signified" language of God.

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and "signified it" by his angel unto his servant John:

Without parables the "signified" poetic language of God .Christ spoke not.

Without parable the apostles would still today be playing the Alpha male dog "whose the greatest". (kennel ration) Like for instance , what happened to that Jesus fellow that confuses the proper manner of spirit as the spirit of interpretation.? Does he not know how to walk by sight?The apostles having turned it upside down the "us" became walking by sights .The manner he rebuked the apostles...

The church does not define the "us" in Christ by what the eyes see he does through the parables .. Three times he hid it in a attempt for them to get past what the eyes see . and then the rebuke. . in effect ...Do not just look to the surface of the matter but compare the spiritual unseen to the same eternal .Not the temporal seen to the same...get the shovel out and dig you might find a pearl .

Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.
But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying. Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them "should be greatest".Luke 9 44-45

But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of..Luke 9

Again without parables the apostles would still be playing "who is the greatest" .This shows they had no faith coming the from the parable. One of the many manners God did bring prophecy.(prophecy)

To me the teaching in parables seems simpler than a thousand words of text can explain. It's like an artists rendering can more easily show what happened than a courtroom testimony can explain. I don't know why they minister to some more than others but they do.

calibob · Jul 31, 2019

Lanolin said:

in London, there are ravens in the tower of London. Pigeons used to hang out in trafalgar aquare. But dont know where the doves hang out.

I havent really thought much about the life of doves but considering the holy spirit came down like a dove on Jesus water baptism I think we ought to know more about these birds. And scripture says we need to be as harmless as doves.

Why should ravens get all the press. Its like rock music in churches everyone always worships to these rock band wannabees but nobody gives any attention to soothing lilt of the harpists. Why because theyve all pretty much left those churches and gone somewhere theres peace and quiet.

I guess they don't stand up clap their hands and shout halleluiah much in the UK?

Each to their own. It's all good.

Magenta · Jul 31, 2019

Lanolin said:

calibob · Jul 31, 2019

Although being about as pale skinned as anyone I really love folk, rock, bluegrass and foot stompin', hand clappin' piano playin' & tambourine shakin' get out of your seat and praise the Lord kind of church music. I Love to celebrate a risen Lord. I prefer to feel like I'm at a wedding, not a funeral. But to each their own.

Lanolin · Jul 31, 2019

calibob said:

I have no idea am not from the UK. I think they just stand up and sit down and repeat after the vicar, is my experience of anglican churches (church of England) and then they all have a cup of tea and a biscuit and shake hands and say 'peace be with you' while politely saying sorry, excuse me if they bump into anyone.

Lanolin · Jul 31, 2019

Maybe thers no harpists and im just imagining thats what heaven is like with soothing harp music.

After the israelites hung up their harps in willows by the rivers of babylon where they sat down and wept as they remembered zion, maybe they just stopped playing them.

calibob · Jul 31, 2019

Lanolin said:

I'm sorry to hear that. After I got saved and baptized, as an adult, I got very involved with energetic Lord praising folks that were part of a non denominational movement called "I found it." Former Jews, Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Baptists and Pentecostals sent aside our petty differences and happily worshiped together.

Webers.Home · Jul 31, 2019

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● Gen 8:13-14 . . In the six hundred and first year, in the first month, on
the first of the month, the waters began to dry from the earth; and when
Noah removed the covering of the ark, he saw that the surface of the ground
was drying. And in the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the
month, the earth was dry.

Calculating the duration of the Flood is not only an interesting exercise but
also an opportunity to get the hang of prophetic time keeping.

It began to rain on the 17th day of the second month of the 600th year of
Noah's life. The Earth was dry on the 27th day of the second month of his
601st year. So, reckoning time according to prophetic months of 30 days
each, and not counting the final day, Noah's passengers and crew were
aboard the ark for a total of 370 days; which is roughly 5 days over a solar
year, and 10 days over a prophetic year.

FAQ: Whence came the so-called prophetic year?

A: The Flood began on the seventeenth day of the second month of Noah's
life, and it rained for forty days. Then the rain stopped so the water could
begin draining off and leave the ark aground. A period of exactly five months
went by. Those five months are recorded as exactly 150 days. If we were to
try and use the months of the Jewish calendar, the number of days would
not add up to 150. Here's why.

The months of the Jewish calendar supposedly equivalent to the months of
the Flood are:

lyar . . . . . . . . 29 days
Sivan . . . . . . . 30 days
Tammuz . . . . . 29 days
Av . . . . . . . . . 30 days
Elul . . . . . . . . 29 days
Tishri . . . . . . . 30 days

Using the Jewish calendar, it would begin raining on the 17th of lyar, thus
flooding a total of 13 days during that month. Following would be 30 in
Sivan, 29 in Tammuz, 30 in Av, 29 in Elul, and lastly 16 in Tishri if we don't
count the day that the ark ran aground. The total number of days from the
beginning of the Flood until the day the ark went aground, would have been,
according to the Jewish calendar, 147; which is three days short of 150.

However, we can safely ignore the Jewish calendar, and just reckon the
elapsed time relative to Noah's birthday. The 150 days then average out to
five months of 30 days apiece. That doesn't really cause any problems
because a dating method of that nature is not intended to mark off the
actual passage of astronomical time in a calendar year; only the days of
time elapsed during an important event such as the Flood.

So; here in Genesis, very early in the Bible, a precedent is set for specifying
the length of a special kind of year: the prophetic year. Since the months in
a year of this type are of thirty days apiece, then twelve such months add up
to 360 days; which is 5¼ days less than a calendar year.

The prophetic year is sort of like a baker's dozen. Though a baker's dozen is
not a dozen of twelve; it is nonetheless a dozen in its own right. As long as
students of the Bible are aware of the existence of such a thing as a
prophetic year, they won't be tripped up when they run across it in
prophecy; for example the one below:

"And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared
of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and
threescore days." (Rev 12:6)

"And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly
into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and
times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent." (Rev 12:14)

Those two passages speak of a 3½ year period of exactly 1,260 days. Well,
3½ solar years is 1,274+ days; which is almost fifteen days too many. But if
we reckon those 3½ years as prophetic years of 360 days each, then it
comes out perfectly to 1,260 days.
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Dino246 · Jul 31, 2019

Lanolin said:

in London, there are ravens in the tower of London. Pigeons used to hang out in trafalgar aquare. But dont know where the doves hang out.

I havent really thought much about the life of doves but considering the holy spirit came down like a dove on Jesus water baptism I think we ought to know more about these birds. And scripture says we need to be as harmless as doves.

Why should ravens get all the press. Its like rock music in churches everyone always worships to these rock band wannabees but nobody gives any attention to soothing lilt of the harpists. Why because theyve all pretty much left those churches and gone somewhere theres peace and quiet.

Pigeons and doves are essentially the same thing, except to an ornithologist.

Dino246 · Jul 31, 2019

garee said:

Historical accounts are not parables, and parables are not historical accounts. Neither is poetic language.

Why can't you interpret the statement regarding Jesus' use of parables in its proper (limited) context?

Webers.Home · Aug 1, 2019

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● Matt 24:38-40 . . For as in those days which were before the Flood they
were eating and drinking, they were marrying and giving in marriage, until
the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the
flood came and took them all away; so shall the coming of the Son of Man
be.

The Lord's comment no doubt reflects upon Gen 6:1-2, which states:

"Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land,
and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the
daughters of men were good; and they took wives for themselves,
whomever they chose."

The sons of God back then-- whose wives were chosen based solely upon
sex appeal sans any spiritual prudence whatsoever --all perished in the
Flood just the same as if they were atheists. Had they listened to Noah, that
wouldn't have happened.

● 2Pet 2:5 . . Noah, a preacher of righteousness.
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Lanolin · Aug 1, 2019

calibob said:

I think most people who get born again go for the non denominational chruches cos the denominational ones are just ones people get raised in as children and they arent really open to new believers. Their 'new believers' are just offspring of the adults who attend.

Lanolin · Aug 1, 2019

Dino246 said:

Are they? I thought about turtledoves, which are like pigeons.
But some people call pigeons rats with wings.
Interestingly Noah didnt send out any seagulls.

Magenta · Aug 1, 2019

Lanolin said:

I went to many different churches following my conversion. Some fed me and some did not. Some seemed Spirit filled and others did not. The label had little to do with where I ended up

Lanolin · Aug 1, 2019

Magenta said:

I do find that the denom ones are the more established churches and less likely to evangelise. I noticed that they never really had new believers come in just people that were already believers swap churches.

Lanolin · Aug 1, 2019

Speaking of pigeons they make really good messengers as they were used in the old days as pigeon post.
So maybe if doves are similar its like, they were the first evangelists. The dove brought back an olive leaf as the message, good news, there dry land. The raven just went out and didnt bring anything back.

Webers.Home · Aug 2, 2019

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Lanolin said:

Gulls are good swimmers. They don't need a place to roost, nor do they
need dry ground to survive just as long as they can find food at sea. They
will eat carrion, which I imagine was very plentiful.

When the Raven failed to return, that told Noah the trees were emerging,
and when the Dove failed to return, that told him the land was emerging
because Doves are ground feeders, plus they need minute pieces of gravel
for their gizzards.
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