Jesus say: to be save you have to do good

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Jackson123

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#41
No I agree
No sinner will enter the kingdom of God

A person who becomes saved is no longer a sinner (not that they do not sin, it is just not their lifestyle)

John said a child born of God can not live in sin, a person who sins has never seen or known God.. I believe him also.
I agree,

Every body do sin, me include,

So I believe Paul talking about if your lifestyle is stealing you not go to heaven

Stealing than feel guilty and repent is ok.
 
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#42
I agree,

Every body do sin, me include,

So I believe Paul talking about if your lifestyle is stealing you not go to heaven

Stealing than feel guilty and repent is ok.
Sin is never ok.
 

Jackson123

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#43
My thoughts on the warnings are this:

As for the warnings, I believe they are there for those that THINK they are saved. Paul is exhorting those who take the Name of Lord, Christians, to examine THEMSELVES, and if they are caught up in some of the laundry list of sins chronicled in several epistles,FEEL NO CONVICTION OVER THEM, they must repent, NOT OF THE SINS (although that will come) but that they have never truly believed that Jesus IS God come in the flesh, HAS DIED for THEIR sins, rose on the 3rd day, and that NOTHING they do can aid Him in what He has done for them and to them.
I agree, salvation by grace do not mean steal as a lifestyle inherit the kingdom

Paul say

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Yes there is no word as lifestyle in this verse, but if we read the Bible completely, I believe as long as we feel guilty and repent we are forgiven and inherit the kingdom.
But I am not agree with the teaching

As long as you believe in Jesus, murder, stealing go to heaven, only reduce the reward.

Because Paul say stealing not inherit the kingdom
 

Jackson123

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#44
Yep, but as long as we repent, we are forgiven.

Paul say stealing is not ok, to the point not inherit the kingdom, not only reduce the reward, but go to hell.

But again every sin is not ok to the point hell, if we not repent.
 

Jackson123

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#45
Jesus was toying with him because of the question he asked - what good that SHALL I DO.

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? The fool should've picked up in from

The fool shoul

Isn’t obvious that Jesus is “yanking this guys chain”?

I mean the fool starts out by asking “what shall I DO”. Jesus follows on with statement after statement that this guy can not and does not do. Until finally Jesus reveals the fools true God.

The guy is the epitome of works salvation folks on this site.
Do you believe Jesus is toying him?

What good that shall I do.

Why not answer the best (good) man can do for salvation is believe in Me
 

Jackson123

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#46
Stealing is not ok.. Stealing is sin.. But we are saved by being justly forgiven our sins.. This is the Way of Salvation through our LORD Jesus Christ.. No one is ever going to secure their eternity by their own efforts at being perfect because NO PERSON can ever attain perfection..
I know we save because He forgive us.

But I believe there is requirement to be forgiven

The requirement is confest and repent.

I do not think God forgive a man that think

Because God love I will keep stealing, anyway He will always forgive me.
 

posthuman

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#48
Jesus answer keep the commandment

Do you think Jesus give him wrong answere?
Jesus gave him a perfect answer to the imperfect question he asked.
If he kept the commandment, do not bear false witness, he would have called Him Lord, not rabbi. And since he didn't, he would not have said he kept all these.

Why do you think Jesus only gave him a few commands, and left out others, when he asked which ones?
And why did the man ask 'which commands' in the first place?
 

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#49
I agree,

Every body do sin, me include,

So I believe Paul talking about if your lifestyle is stealing you not go to heaven

Stealing than feel guilty and repent is ok.
I am glad to see you asking questions. First off, let's address the rich young man. Jesus gives the answer why the man would not follow him:

Mark 10:24 "And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!" People with money will always trust it to provide for them, it becomes their stumbling block. We that live hand to mouth know we need God as our supplier.

Your friend with the credit card scam show you how easy one can view their walk with Christ. God's laws are there to teach us what sin is. 1 John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

Nobody is really fully saved until we are resurrected to immortality. We can call ourselves saved but we really are prophesying our future. Keeping God's laws does not save us, grace is a gift. What we do with our life, after God's bestows His grace on us, is called obedience as you pointed out.

So living by every word of God, we start seeing some of the things in the law that create good habits and leads us into the right path. That path produces the fruits of the spirit. It is important to have a right relationship with the law. Doing it does not condemn you unless you view it as your means of salvation. Don't let the naysayers convince you the law is not good for us.

Romans 7:12 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." :cool:
 

posthuman

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#50
Isn’t obvious that Jesus is “yanking this guys chain”?
Is Jesus yanking everyone's chain calling Himself Son of Man, instead of Son of God? Or does He expect us to figure it out? He told Peter flesh and blood didn't reveal the truth to him - while Jesus was standing there in flesh and blood before him. I don't think toying with us is the right way to describe teaching in parables, tho I get what you're saying. He hides Himself, to be found by the one that earnestly seeks Him, and I think this is how He speaks to this man - he gives him enough clues to discover Him.
 

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#51
I know we save because He forgive us.

But I believe there is requirement to be forgiven

The requirement is confest and repent.
So do you mean that every time you sin you must confess your sin to God in a prayer?

And what does the world ""repent"" mean to you.. What do you do to Repent..

I do not think God forgive a man that think

Because God love I will keep stealing, anyway He will always forgive me.
I agree. A Christian must never use the grace of God as a lisence to sin... That is not what people who believe in the Atonement do..
 

Jackson123

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#52
Isn't this what 'no one is good' means?


Isn't this what 'you call me good, and only God is good' means?
Yep I agree Jesus say He is God, by say only god is good, but that man seem not get it, if He say plainly I am God, that man may understand
 
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#53
Yep, but as long as we repent, we are forgiven.

Paul say stealing is not ok, to the point not inherit the kingdom, not only reduce the reward, but go to hell.

But again every sin is not ok to the point hell, if we not repent.
Thats dangerous thinking, I mean I can sin all I want, all I have to do is repent and I am ok.

 

Jackson123

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#54
Jesus gave him a perfect answer to the imperfect question he asked.
If he kept the commandment, do not bear false witness, he would have called Him Lord, not rabbi. And since he didn't, he would not have said he kept all these.

Why do you think Jesus only gave him a few commands, and left out others, when he asked which ones?
And why did the man ask 'which commands' in the first place?

Keep the command not lie that Jesus only rabbi

I think that man not intend to be liar, he don't know that Jesus is God. But God is also best teacher so to call Him rabbi is not lie,

Also that man call Jesus good,
Only God is good
So that man call Jesus God
 

Jackson123

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#55
I am glad to see you asking questions. First off, let's address the rich young man. Jesus gives the answer why the man would not follow him:

Mark 10:24 "And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!" People with money will always trust it to provide for them, it becomes their stumbling block. We that live hand to mouth know we need God as our supplier.

Your friend with the credit card scam show you how easy one can view their walk with Christ. God's laws are there to teach us what sin is. 1 John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

Nobody is really fully saved until we are resurrected to immortality. We can call ourselves saved but we really are prophesying our future. Keeping God's laws does not save us, grace is a gift. What we do with our life, after God's bestows His grace on us, is called obedience as you pointed out.

So living by every word of God, we start seeing some of the things in the law that create good habits and leads us into the right path. That path produces the fruits of the spirit. It is important to have a right relationship with the law. Doing it does not condemn you unless you view it as your means of salvation. Don't let the naysayers convince you the law is not good for us.

Romans 7:12 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." :cool:
Yep, I agree, stealing as long as believe in Jesus go to heaven, only reduce the reward is not bible teaching.
 

Jackson123

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#56
Thats dangerous thinking, I mean I can sin all I want, all I have to do is repent and I am ok.
I agree, but we are sinful man, we tend to repeat our sin. But I believe as long as we repent and ask forgiveness He will forgive us.
Not plan to sin and ask forgiveness.

For example, a thief repent for 10 years and for some reason 10 years down the road, he is in the situation, so hungry and do not have a money, than he repeat the same sin he did before and steal.

I think if he repent and ask forgiveness, he is forgiven and inherit the kingdom.

But if he steal, than ask forgiveness, tomorrow he steal again and ask forgiveness never try to find a job. Than I do not know if he really ever ask Jesus into his heart
 

Jackson123

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So do you mean that every time you sin you must confess your sin to God in a prayer?

And what does the world ""repent"" mean to you.. What do you do to Repent..



I agree. A Christian must never use the grace of God as a lisence to sin... That is not what people who believe in the Atonement do..
I believe repent may also do the same sin every now and than, but if it is every day, it may not genuine repent
 

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I believe repent may also do the same sin every now and than, but if it is every day, it may not genuine repent
So do you mean that every time you sin you must confess your sin to God in a prayer?

And what does the world ""repent"" mean to you?

What do you do to Repent?
 
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#59
I agree, but we are sinful man, we tend to repeat our sin. But I believe as long as we repent and ask forgiveness He will forgive us.
Not plan to sin and ask forgiveness.

For example, a thief repent for 10 years and for some reason 10 years down the road, he is in the situation, so hungry and do not have a money, than he repeat the same sin he did before and steal.

I think if he repent and ask forgiveness, he is forgiven and inherit the kingdom.

But if he steal, than ask forgiveness, tomorrow he steal again and ask forgiveness never try to find a job. Than I do not know if he really ever ask Jesus into his heart
Your putting the onus on self not god

The things we did not stop thinking stealing was a sin and need to repent again he lost faith in god in that area of his or her life. that’s why they sinned

Jesus is not going to
Condemn a person because they lacked faith in an area of their life. He is gonna love them

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posthuman

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#60
Keep the command not lie that Jesus only rabbi

I think that man not intend to be liar, he don't know that Jesus is God. But God is also best teacher so to call Him rabbi is not lie,

Also that man call Jesus good,
Only God is good
So that man call Jesus God
Those are good points thank you :)