Free Will verses Fate/Divine Intervention: Judas Iscariot "free will" verses Saul/Paul "fate"
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the 10 commandments.
again, READ what Jesus said about judgement...I have provided a good and simple article from another site...which I have linked to...
psots 42 and 43
let's discuss what JESUS said about judging
splitt-offs...denominations...all saying they have THE truth
read what Jesus said about judging and you may not come back and say He said nothing
we need discernment DESPERATELY in this age. EVERY Christian should pray for it and study what it is. we receive discernment through instruction from scripture and also life experience where we APPLY what we learn
I don't know where your directing me to, I'm not being difficult I really don't and I am sorry please leave a list of scriptures I can search my bible for to read about Jesus telling man he could judge other men..... as for splitt-offs Let me share something personal for me with you
denominational "a demon in a nation that should be all"
Jesus said "a house divided against itself will not stand" religion at its core separates the people of GOD. There is only one Church and that is the Body of Christ and I think everyone will agree Jesus the Christ is the only true WORD of GOD.
denominational "a demon in a nation that should be all"
Jesus said "a house divided against itself will not stand" religion at its core separates the people of GOD. There is only one Church and that is the Body of Christ and I think everyone will agree Jesus the Christ is the only true WORD of GOD.
Sorry for the confusion. Someone said that Judas did not have "a chance" to obtain forgiveness. So I pointed out that he did indeed have that chance at the foot of the cross. But in reality, he would not truly repent and be forgiven, and he would remain "the Son of Perdition" (the child of damnation) destined for Hell.
i mean, God intervenes. God chooses to do so.
if i choose something, and God intervenes, then whose choice or will comes out on top, mine or His?
He can & does surely prevent me from doing things my heart would do, if it were unrestrained. and He compels me to do things that left to myself, i wouldn't.
so it's another central paradox in this topic: if man has will, God does too. and if God acts, does His action over-rule man's will? some people say 'oh He's perfect gentleman, He would never' -- but i don't see that borne out in scripture, or in my life: not as an absolute. sometimes He gives us 'enough rope' and sometimes He ropes us back in, too.
so if you've got God intervening - and you do - then you've got God affecting what man sees as his own choice. we love, because He first loved us. without that He took that first step, initiating in us a work, would we even be able to love, at all?
if i choose something, and God intervenes, then whose choice or will comes out on top, mine or His?
He can & does surely prevent me from doing things my heart would do, if it were unrestrained. and He compels me to do things that left to myself, i wouldn't.
so it's another central paradox in this topic: if man has will, God does too. and if God acts, does His action over-rule man's will? some people say 'oh He's perfect gentleman, He would never' -- but i don't see that borne out in scripture, or in my life: not as an absolute. sometimes He gives us 'enough rope' and sometimes He ropes us back in, too.
so if you've got God intervening - and you do - then you've got God affecting what man sees as his own choice. we love, because He first loved us. without that He took that first step, initiating in us a work, would we even be able to love, at all?
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i hope we never get to the point where we expect everyone new to read the 500,000 posts that came before them before we can be bothered to talk 
welcome to CC, btw. bring salt
welcome to CC, btw. bring salt
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I was directing you to a couple of posts numbers 42 and 43
you will find that post 43 especially has plenty of scripture
these posts are copy/pastes from another website called 'Got Questions' and you can get to that website by clicking on the blue 'source' word...meaning these are not my words but are from another source
this is a common practice to do this a forum...when you want to insert something you did not write yourself, you source the info
I don't think you are being difficult. and you have the scriptures as I indicated
does not compute with me. sorry. no need to explain..sometimes a break, such as Luthers' from the Catholic church, is what is needed
corruption is common
yes we are members of Christ's body, but not everyone who says that they are, actually are and many 'members' have no teaching and are sometimes the loudest members when they need to, pardon me, shut up. I don't mean that as intended for you at all...I am just saying something that needs to be said
you will find that post 43 especially has plenty of scripture
these posts are copy/pastes from another website called 'Got Questions' and you can get to that website by clicking on the blue 'source' word...meaning these are not my words but are from another source
this is a common practice to do this a forum...when you want to insert something you did not write yourself, you source the info
I don't think you are being difficult. and you have the scriptures as I indicated
does not compute with me. sorry. no need to explain..sometimes a break, such as Luthers' from the Catholic church, is what is needed
corruption is common
yes we are members of Christ's body, but not everyone who says that they are, actually are and many 'members' have no teaching and are sometimes the loudest members when they need to, pardon me, shut up. I don't mean that as intended for you at all...I am just saying something that needs to be said
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adverb
in the way or manner indicated, described, or implied:
Do it so.
in that or this manner or fashion; thus:
So it turned out.
conjunction
in order that (often followed by that):
Check carefully, so any mistakes will be caught.
with the result that (often followed by that):
He checked carefully, so that the mistakes were caught.
pronoun
such as has been stated:
to be good and stay so.
something that is about or near the persons or things in question, as in number or amount:
Of the original twelve, five or so remain.
interjection
(used as an exclamation of surprise, shock, discovery, inquiry, indifference, etc., according to the manner of utterance.)
adjective
true as stated or reported; conforming with reality or the fact:
Say it isn't so.
Ok.
in the way or manner indicated, described, or implied:
Do it so.
in that or this manner or fashion; thus:
So it turned out.
conjunction
in order that (often followed by that):
Check carefully, so any mistakes will be caught.
with the result that (often followed by that):
He checked carefully, so that the mistakes were caught.
pronoun
such as has been stated:
to be good and stay so.
something that is about or near the persons or things in question, as in number or amount:
Of the original twelve, five or so remain.
interjection
(used as an exclamation of surprise, shock, discovery, inquiry, indifference, etc., according to the manner of utterance.)
adjective
true as stated or reported; conforming with reality or the fact:
Say it isn't so.
Ok.
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i hope we never get to the point where we expect everyone new to read the 500,000 posts that came before them before we can be bothered to talk
welcome to CC, btw. bring salt
welcome to CC, btw. bring salt
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Sorry, I was making a joke that you being new here would not be able to relate to, and thusly a bad joke, and inappropriate.
Please accept My sincere apologies to you. And know that you never have to apologise to me.
Most surely please post any topic you want to talk about. It really does not matter how many times a subject is discussed, if one person needs to talk about it, it is worth having that discussion again as required.
Actually new thought and information may very well be brought out as fresh minds discuss the subject. So please don't feel hindered.
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Haha, I have actually met people like that online, those who say things like, please read all I have said on this matter, and they may then point to five years worth of writing, or to a thread that has hundreds of their posts scattered throughout, and I am like, really, dude? You have got to be kidding, LOL, but nope, they are not
is it really so hard lol
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