Not By Works

Ah! But the others were ready, they had the oil (HS) in their lamps.. It was not because they were more worthy, it was because they were born of god.

The others thought they were ready, and were left wanting, because they refused to receive God.

They did not go till the end..

They had OIL in their lamps (the HS)

They all believed in the Bridegroom and they all believed they would be going into His banqueting table, but five had fallen asleep and were not prepared. (Lazy Christians.)

I am glad you compared the oil to the Holy Spirit. I was about to, but thought others might find fault. The truth is, five of them did not have oil, they had drifted away from the Lord. We can all do that, but we need to be on our guard against it, regardless of what the OSAS people say.

Some believed to the saving of the soul

Some had mere belief. And thought they were ok, but did not do what they had to (recieve the oil or HS)

Its no different today

Their lamps had gone out. Obviously they had known Him, and did know him up until their lamps went out.

Therefor OSAS is a false doctrine.

What in this world makes anyone believe they must do works to obtain eternal salvation? How can a sinner born into a sinful world ever believe they can do any works great enough to eradicate their sin(s)? Only the precious blood of Jesus Christ, the Sacrificial Lamb, can cleanse us enough to even be heard by God Almighty. Our "works" are as filthy rags no matter what "good" we think they are.

Then YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND what OSAS means. We will NEVER turn our backs and reject HIM. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. Those who appear to do that ONLY PROVE THEY WERE NEVER BORN AGAIN.

John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them [Born Again], and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.

1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.

2 John 1:2 (HCSB)
2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us forever.

2 Timothy 2:19 (HCSB)
19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, having this inscription: The Lord knows those who are His, and Everyone who names the name of the Lord must turn away from unrighteousness.

Philippians 3:12-15 (ESV)
12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.
13 Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,
14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you.

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

THAT TRULY IS WHAT OSAS Really Means.

That is the belief we promote hear. So take your False idea of what OSAS means, and repent.

If we cannot turn away from God, why the warnings against it?

Why did their lamps go out?

Because their works could not sustain them. They ended up in unbelief.

No

NOSAS (reliance on self) is a false doctrine

Get it right man!!

Sadly men have been believing this since Cain.

So I doubt it will stop until Christ himself comes, And even then, men will reject him for the same reason.

The warnings are for those who are seeking God and have not yet found him. They go to our churhces. They even play church, but they have NEVER come to repenting faith in Christ.

So since they do not experience Christ, except for blessing by association. Many of them turn, because they have tasted, but they have not actually eaten and digested..

its what Jesus warned the disciples who followed him. And they left. Why? Jesus told them, because you do not believe.

Many people profess they believe Jesus, sadly they have never had FAITH in Jesus.

I came to Christian chat initially to find others who had testimonies similar to mine because it's so unbelievable. I find myself exchanging that for constant debate., so I'm going to take the time to see, and then I'm done debating what I believe the Spirit tells me.
Here is my testimony (in short).
I grew up abused and turned into an angry child at 13. My only older brother which I idolized because of my abusive father assured me there was no God, and what he said was gold.
At 13 my grandparents of my deceased mother gained custody of us and all hell broke loose in me. I was pulling knives and cussing out the savours of my life and didn't understand why. I hated everything and my solution was violence.
I had a special hate for men of the cloth or people of the church. my brother had me believing that people going to church or scared of death and just wanted a better place for the loved ones that died to go.
in my run Davis between Groupons and juvenile jail I had runnings with these preachers from the church. Usually they had perfect smiles wrinkle free suits and was inquiring if I had Jesus in my life. This would piss me off to the extreme. I had a special hate for the church and the congregation.
time when on, I begin using drugs at 15, and the angry young boy grew into an angry on man, holding to a passion of hate for people of the faith. I'm mocked ridiculed and made fun of all religious people.
I begin moving around the country in 1993. In 1999 I was living in Bullhead City Arizona. I had just met 3 people in my travels Brenda, Larry, and Dave. we unanimously decided to go to Salt Lake City since they just got granted a bunch of money to build for the upcoming 2002 Olympics.
My first night in salt lake City was a sober one.I woke around 4:30 a.m. to the burning desire of the cigarette. Since Dave didn't smoke I turn on the light jacket and stepped out. I said on the stairs leaving to the upper balcony and lit up. As soon as I lit up I heard the end mistake bull sound of high heel shoes.
out of the shadow of the opposing balcony across the parking lot appeared the figure of a tall well figured blonde. She stopped about 15 feet away and asked if I had another cigarette.
I said yes and she made straight way to the stairs and sat down 3 or four steps below me and leaned against the wall and looked up at me. She was one of the most beautiful women I had ever seen. I was a sounded.
I asked her hunter her name as I let her cigarette. Regina she said. T asked me what I was doing out at that hour.I explained of our recent arrival in my waking to the desire of the smoke.
she loves me right in the I put her hands gently over her heart and asked me if I believe in God. I told her no and gave her a short explanation of my beliefs.
she proceeded to tell me her life story how she was from California, how her parents the sound her at the age of 15 for bearing the child of a black man, how's she got on drugs, how children services had taken her kids, and how she is presently at this hotel committing sexual acts for drugs as we speak. They're was much more said but I have forgotten.
the whole story lasted about 40 minutes or so but throughout her entire story she would stop about every 3 to 5 minutes put her hands over our heart and say things such as you really can't feel God, or you don't feel God, or I can't believe you don't believe in God.by the time she was done with her story this beautiful woman was a sobbing meth. Her mascara was running her lips work quivering her nose was running and she was a hot mess.
after telling me of all of her life demise is she looked up at me through tears as is she felt sorry for me. She put her hands over her heart so gently and said I can't believe you don't feel God.
I said you know I think you've convinced me as my mind simultaneously thought now stop asking me maybe they're is a God. Herbalife through all the turmoil was not the approach I was used to.

Look EG, I have been hearing the same nonsensical rubbish for the last 20 years. Hebrews 6:4-6 clearly tells us

"It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace."

I like this testimony, except it is a woman sharing her heart and troubles while asking you about God.
So you came to have a conviction that God exists. Amen.

Is this where you have reached? This is 20 years or so in the past. Where are you now and what is Jesus
to you?

from somewhere deep in my soul there was a knowing that I was wrong in my unbelief. about 10 seconds later my eyes went black my hearing faded all senses were tuned out. There was no emotion from the heart there was no thought process. I became part of this love that was so beautiful that I know what Paul means when he says he has no right to try to justify it with words. Anyhow, there was no time frame and space was not exist. I was love and that's all there was. It was the most powerful and beautiful and wonderful thing I will probably ever experienced in this body.irie entered this room and by where she was in her conversation I was guessing it lasted about 30 to 45 seconds or so in this realm.
I looked at her as if she would speak on this strange thing that just happened. She had no clue. My first rational thought was wow! I got to have this woman! She does something to me!I ended up walking her to a detox center that night and getting back to the hotel around 6 a.m. to Brenda, Larry, and Dave, rising for employment search.
I explained my good deed to them and ask them to wake me around 11 and fill me in on where to drop some applications.
They left eye fell asleep.
a little after 11 I woke to Dave coming through the door alone. The very first thing on my mind was that I'd experience the night before. Instantaneously through my whole being it was made clear that it was from God. I was instantly washed clean so to speak of all the bad things that I had done to my family friend and everything else all that I was running from all that I hate in about myself in life was completely taken away. I became filled with extreme extreme ecstatic joy. Through subs of joy I can remember trying to tell Dave of the experience of the night before. I don't remember saying anything to him but I wasn't even asking God to come into my life or anything. I remember looking at his bald head what as he grabbed the Bible out of the dresser drawer and was looking down frantically searching for a scripture. You don't choose God he chooses you he said. I don't remember getting dressed or walking the few blocks towards downtown, but I do know then I was in the middle of the hustle and bustle of lunch hour. I was grabbing people by the shoulders spending people around crying and extreme joy and yelling there's a god there's a God for 30 years I've been missing that there's a god. I did not know it at the time but I was overflowing with the holy Spirit.that night in a bar I remember making the comment today that I think I was going to try to stop cussing that I don't think God likes cussing.
the drugs alcohol toxic relationships and traveling still had me by a nose ring.nothing changed but the fact that there was no possible way in my heart or so I could deny the existence of God. Six and a half years later through circumstances I'm skipping over I opened up the Bible which I had tried to open up many many times before and got nothing but flustered and pissed and my eyes were instantly open to understand it for the spiritual meaning behind it. I was in prison and I studied I could not not study for no exaggeration about 20 hours a day for about 10 months. God has given me everything that I have oh and by the way about 3 days into my opening of eye I still got down and ask God to come into my life because that's what I had been taught foolish me. But anyway the desire I have to not be able to read the Bible to love God for my face for every single thing that is holy in my life it has been poured out like a sister in into me I have received blessing after blessing after blessing as far as knowledge wisdom seal desire and love for in belief for God. I did not ask for none of this the one is the best thing that has ever happened to me there is no way I can say that I have any marriage to do with anything anything anything pertaining to my eternal destiny now you may see why I believe what I believe there is no doubt after all my studies and my testimony being read out to me through their New testament why I believe what I believe this was computing into my life and I believe that is without expectancy it is again if I fail to follow the earthly teachings of Jesus I will not have the spiritually abundant life but the spirit tells me nothing that I will do or anyone else can take or change my eternal destiny away. So I am once saved always saved individual I hope this explains why thisthis is a bag explanation of my full testimony but I hope you get the idea god bless you all I love you all Jesus name