Jesus wept?

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I was thinking and would ask in which ways. Certainly in ways beyond our understanding . With Lazarus it seemed two fold. Wept because others were not hearing the gospel or at least at first and out of true friendship from person to another.

How can we cry with those who cry as half the sorrow, and laugh with those who laugh as twice the Joy?
 
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I personally believe Jesus wept due to their unbelief......He knew he would raise Lazarus and specifically waited because of the belief the soul stayed with the body for a period of time......
 

p_rehbein

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Sorry, it's just me, but I don't understand the question.......sigh....... sorry
 

posthuman

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look at the difference between what Martha said to Him and what Mary said to Him, and what Martha did and what Mary did:

“Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if You had been here, my brother would not have died, but I know that even now God will give You whatever You ask.”
Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.
(John 11:21-23)
When Mary reached the place where Jesus was and saw Him, she fell at His feet and said, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.”
When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, He was deeply moved in spirit and troubled. “Where have you laid him?” He asked.
(John 11:32-34)

Martha came to Him where He was. was she crying?
after she spoke with Him, she went back, and told Mary He was asking for her. was He? it's not recorded that He said this to her. and He didn't go into the village. did He know where to find her?
Mary went to where He was outside the village, because He did not leave the place Martha had found Him ((v.30)). those mourning with her followed her - she came with a group of weeping Jews. did Martha?
 

Sipsey

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Another view as to why He wept is that Lazarus would be kept from paradise, only to die again later.
 

Chester

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I was thinking and would ask in which ways. Certainly in ways beyond our understanding . With Lazarus it seemed two fold. Wept because others were not hearing the gospel or at least at first and out of true friendship from person to another.

How can we cry with those who cry as half the sorrow, and laugh with those who laugh as twice the Joy?
Note the context in John 11:
35 Jesus wept.
36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!
37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?
38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.

So first we see that the Jews thought he wept because he loved Lazarus - in other words - they thought he was sad Lazarus had died. But I doubt that was why Jesus was weeping: he knew Lazarus would soon be alive!

Secondly we see that a few verses later Jesus is groaning (the Greek word indicates an internal emotion/anger). It seems that Jesus weeping may have been for two reasons:
(1) His sorrow for the two sisters who were grieving
(2) His sorrow/anger/emotion over death and sin and unbelief in the human race - characterized by the unbelieving Pharisees standing before Him. We see that soon this emotion moved Jesus as He went to the cross to overcome death
 

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I was thinking and would ask in which ways. Certainly in ways beyond our understanding . With Lazarus it seemed two fold. Wept because others were not hearing the gospel or at least at first and out of true friendship from person to another.

How can we cry with those who cry as half the sorrow, and laugh with those who laugh as twice the Joy?
I do not know why Jesus wept, intellectually, but I know emotionally why.

Weeping is a response to an overwhelming emotion that is just too great to bear, so one weeps.
Lazarus had died. People were overcome with the loss and the tragedy of the situation.

Jesus equally felt this same feeling, how deeply those around felt at this loss.
To acknowledge this loss and feeling is to be human. Even though Jesus knew He would raise
Lazarus, acknowledging the loss was Jesus sharing the load with Mary and Martha.

Anyone going into this situation and dismissing mourning is a heartless brute. Mourning is part
of loving, knowing another and then acknowledging the parting of ways, and the breaking of this
bond.

5 "Blessed are those that mourn they will be comforted"
Matt 5

Jesus was linking again with those He loved, and sharing their state, and then bringing a temporary
resolution by raising Lazarus. This miracle is so personal, the other gospel writers do not mention
it. Though this is a statement of authority that Jesus had in the Father, its significance is the same
as healing someone, because Lazarus still died later.

The relationship with Mary and Martha as friends, is unusual because Jesus did not have female
disciples in the apostles, and the church has never been that clear over friendships between men and
women that are not sexual.

I have had many such friendships, and as a guy in a church dominated by women, if one has any ministry
it will be to women more than to men. This is a side point, but equally an important issue.
 

JaumeJ

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Blessed are all qho b elieve yet have not seen our Lord, Jesus, Yeshua.
 
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I do not know why Jesus wept, intellectually, but I know emotionally why.

Weeping is a response to an overwhelming emotion that is just too great to bear, so one weeps.
Lazarus had died. People were overcome with the loss and the tragedy of the situation.

Jesus equally felt this same feeling, how deeply those around felt at this loss.
To acknowledge this loss and feeling is to be human. Even though Jesus knew He would raise
Lazarus, acknowledging the loss was Jesus sharing the load with Mary and Martha.

Anyone going into this situation and dismissing mourning is a heartless brute. Mourning is part
of loving, knowing another and then acknowledging the parting of ways, and the breaking of this
bond.

5 "Blessed are those that mourn they will be comforted"
Matt 5

Jesus was linking again with those He loved, and sharing their state, and then bringing a temporary
resolution by raising Lazarus. This miracle is so personal, the other gospel writers do not mention
it. Though this is a statement of authority that Jesus had in the Father, its significance is the same
as healing someone, because Lazarus still died later.

The relationship with Mary and Martha as friends, is unusual because Jesus did not have female
disciples in the apostles, and the church has never been that clear over friendships between men and
women that are not sexual.

I have had many such friendships, and as a guy in a church dominated by women, if one has any ministry
it will be to women more than to men. This is a side point, but equally an important issue.
Are you saying woman weep easier?

Not to change the subject matter but I do not see the connection with woman as non disciple or apostle .God send them with the gospel as prophets and apostles to preach the gospel just as well as the men .

Remember the reformation came alone with a restoring of the government of God to a period before Kings and temples .

Things that were previous held separate by diving walls. The men from the woman. Jew from the gentile. When the veil was rent It became one new kingdom of priests after the new order (John3:25) Jesus coming after the manner of Melchedik our promised High priest according to the prophet Joel . Men and woman alike no difference between the two. Both receive the new tongue the gospel that they might go out with it and make disciples of mankind.

Acts 2:15-17 King James Version (KJV) For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Interestingly when the walls fell between men and woman and between gentile courts alike. They then could cerebrate the ceremonies together both having a part. He designed one new ceremonial law as a shadow to point ahead using two kinds of signs to represent one up coming event in the new heavens and earth. The marriage supper of the lamb the veil comes off and stays off
 
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In his discussion with his disciples on this occasion, Jesus compared death to a sleeplike state. That is why he told them that he was “journeying there to awaken [Lazarus] from sleep.” (John 11:11) To Jesus, raising Lazarus from death would be like a parent waking his child from a nap. So there was no reason for him to be pained over Lazarus’ death itself.

The context provides the answer then as to why Jesus wept: When Jesus met Lazarus’ sister Mary and saw her and others weeping, he “groaned in the spirit and became troubled.” Seeing their pain moved Jesus to feel hurt to the point of ‘groaning in the spirit.’ That was why “Jesus gave way to tears.” It greatly saddened Jesus to see his beloved friends stricken with grief.—John 11:33, 35.
 
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In his discussion with his disciples on this occasion, Jesus compared death to a sleeplike state. That is why he told them that he was “journeying there to awaken [Lazarus] from sleep.” (John 11:11) To Jesus, raising Lazarus from death would be like a parent waking his child from a nap. So there was no reason for him to be pained over Lazarus’ death itself.

The context provides the answer then as to why Jesus wept: When Jesus met Lazarus’ sister Mary and saw her and others weeping, he “groaned in the spirit and became troubled.” Seeing their pain moved Jesus to feel hurt to the point of ‘groaning in the spirit.’ That was why “Jesus gave way to tears.” It greatly saddened Jesus to see his beloved friends stricken with grief.—John 11:33, 35.

It would seem the grief in respect to their lack of understanding of the parable...
 

JaumeJ

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Again I believe Jesus wept due to the unbelief of those who had Him present to see and to believe…………..It makes most os us weep at times how people just will not believe they are made by a Maker……….and He is Jesus...Yeshua.
 
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I think He did on both reasons and probably many times that is not written.

Luke 19:41
As Jesus approached Jerusalem and saw the city, He wept over it

John 11:33
When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come with her also weeping, He was deeply moved in spirit and troubled.