Baptist and Baptism

The great commission tells us to baptise people in the name of father, son and holy ghost. It is a symbolic act of having your sins washed away. Adding confusion to it there is arguments about the mode of baptism, dunking, pouring, and sprinkling. In no text in the Bible does it say it is a requirement for salvation. The only possibility is abject refusal to be baptized. That calls into the concept that the person is not really a Christian. There are denominations that believe baptism is required for salvation.

Luke 23:39-43
39 Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.”
40 But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

If I understand your question then the above verses answer it.
If not be more specific.
Only one was told he would be in paradise.

Now if you assume the one in paradise was baptised and it's baptism that saves then we have to assume the other was baptised and would have had the same experience and knowledge as the other.

If that's the case then why was the other thief not told he would be with Jesus in paradise?

I asked you if the thief on the cross was baptised?

You responded with.

I assume the above quote references the thief who asked Jesus to remember him.

So he could have been and was a backslider. Seemed to be familiar with Jesus as you say.
If that's the case then maybe the other thief was as well?
So both have backslidden to the extent they are being crucified for it.
So what saved one and not the other?
So a person can be backslidden and still be saved?
This I agree with.
But this beggars the question.
If the other thief was baptised and backslidden why was he not saved?
Why would Jesus declare special consideration to one and not the other if both were baptised?

Which raises the point.

You say "Also he doesn't have to be"

If that's the case then why has it changed after the resurrection of Jesus?
There will be many belivers who are not baptised before they die.
No special consideration?

You obviously believe that not being baptised is a sin because we do not be with Jesus in eternity.
A sin that stops us being saved.

Your above quote negates that.

Repent of what?

Are you really asking that question on a Christian site?? You've got to be kidding!!

They were and if all accounts are studied they were also tied to Barrabas....ALL THREE were to be crucified for murder, insurrection and thievery.....Barrabas was spared and an innocent man took his place.....even in death the lamb without spot or blemish paying the price for the solid black goat!!!!

please show scripture that he was baptized?

the point isn't 'don't do any good thing if you're saved because no good thing will save you' - no one is saying or even thinking that. the point is the power of the gospel, which is whoever calls on His name will be saved. whoever looks to Him raised up, like the brazen serpent, will be saved. whoever puts their trust in Him will not be put to shame. do good because you rejoice to do it - because He is good, and to join Him in well-doing is the fitting reply to the love wherewith He first loved us: a love with no precondition, no justification other than faith, and hurdle or hoop to pass through. just like the Baptist confession of 1644 says, coincidentally. the idea that salvation is free didn't just arise in the 60's

so please stop acting like your brothers and sisters in Christ are your enemies?

The early elders created the creeds to define what a Christian must believe. Anything outside of the creeds is to agree to disagree. Anything contrary to the creeds is heresy. The creeds were used back then to be an easily memorized method of evangelism. Keep in mind that the printing press wasn't invented until approaching 1700 years later. Thus Bibles were rare and very expensive since a scribe copied it by hand. Baptism is not mentioned in the creeds.

That's not biblical.
Why don't you show scripture where the Bible does not require baptism.
Why don't you respond to the post where I listed Bible references...requiring baptism.
Is that too difficult for you?

Just saying baptism is not required don't get it. Where is the beef?

You can't change G-d's word.

You should list specific scriptures-unless that's too hard for you.

He was on a cross talking to Jesus, ya recon' they took him down and baptized him then hung him back up?
Luke 23:39-43 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
39 One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!”40 But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation?41 And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.”42 And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” 43 And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”

No mention of taking him down to baptize him. Or even throwing a bucket of water on him. Just came to faith there on the cross and died.

why don't you acknowledge that the Baptist confession of 1644 already provided what you are demanding of these other people?

this is all back on page 4; there are scripture references with each article of the confession which give the basis for which the confession is made.

Yep to the first and no to the second.

What did Jesus tell us to repent off?
As I asked Preston.
I was trying to solicit an answer.

What did Jesus say about the helper, the Holy Spirit coming after he went back to heaven?

FYI I suggest you change your approach.

Rather than post the way you did you could have asked what I was trying to get at or even ask me what my thoughts were.

I am so glad I asked that question and not someone on here who is seeking Jesus.
Your response could have caused more harm than good.

You can read the scriptures ...I am sure.

Not biblical.
It seems you like that approach.

I suspect you will reject them anyway. A form of harassment...huh?...when you have no scripture to defend your position.

Any Christian knows the answer to that question. My point is what are you trying to accomplish!! Out the person as not a Christian?

i hope that when i am old, i do not become so contrary and belligerent that i forget love and ignore the truth.

*ahem*

see post #132

The bible defines what I must believe not a creed written by men...... hah