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uh huh
just like your thread on hell
next you will tell us that you are not here to debate and you don't answer critics of your interpretation as in your other treatise
you have both cessationists and non cessationists alarmed at your lack of integrity and false humility
can't wait to see what you do next
just like your thread on hell
next you will tell us that you are not here to debate and you don't answer critics of your interpretation as in your other treatise
you have both cessationists and non cessationists alarmed at your lack of integrity and false humility
can't wait to see what you do next
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You would seem to deny what prophecy is . . . . "the revealed word of God . . . . in any of the chapters or what are called books. . The book of prophecy the bible is all about . . . all things written in the law and prophets. (sola scriptura) God's two witnesses our mighty defense .
His perfect witness is sealed to the end of time with seven seals no man can ad to it or take away from it as it is written
We cannot separate one book from the other or even one word. It is our safeguard as the prescribed way of testing the spirits to se if they are inspired of men or God. Any person down through History that claims thus says the lord .I had a vision ...as in He is there or a saw him here . we are commanded to believe not. Its guards the integrity of the flaming sword of the word.
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:And if any man shall take away from the words of "the book of this prophecy", God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.Revelation 22:18 -21
In order to understand the plagues writen in the book we look to the whole book (no separation) Same one author. .
Why would a person desire to go above that which is written looking to another witness?
His perfect witness is sealed to the end of time with seven seals no man can ad to it or take away from it as it is written
We cannot separate one book from the other or even one word. It is our safeguard as the prescribed way of testing the spirits to se if they are inspired of men or God. Any person down through History that claims thus says the lord .I had a vision ...as in He is there or a saw him here . we are commanded to believe not. Its guards the integrity of the flaming sword of the word.
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:And if any man shall take away from the words of "the book of this prophecy", God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.Revelation 22:18 -21
In order to understand the plagues writen in the book we look to the whole book (no separation) Same one author. .
Why would a person desire to go above that which is written looking to another witness?
I explained fully why you were not correct in your understanding.
Here it is again:
That is your opinion but in John 20:22 Jesus breathed on them and said: " Recieve the Holy Spirit". The risen Lord said this and He stayed with them 40 days, then after instructing the Disciples to go and wait for power from on High. They had the Holy Spirit in them when Jesus said to them "Recieve the Holy Spirit." in John 20:22. They confessed Jesus is Lord (Roman 10:9-10) and they believed and were saved. Just as we are today when we place our faith in the Risen Lord.
Luke 24:49 Jesus tell them to go and wait for something more Power from on high.
What more would one need? Jesus was with them for 40 days. In the Book of Acts chapter one, the context continues Jesus is speaking in Acts 1:8 "You shall receive power after the Holy Spirit has come upon you. to be a witness". They did not need the Holy Spirit to be saved at Pentecost, they were already saved. They were empowered as the Holy Spirit came upon them as the Holy Spirit did in the old testament call the Spirit of the Lord or Spirit of the living God. Same Holy Spirit but now The Holy Spirit abides with us as John chapter 14 states. Your suggestion of a special experience for the elite few is not what the word of God teaches. Jesus said in Luke 11:13 "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”"
what are you asking for? The Holy Spirit comes to be in you as Jesus said in John chapter 14. You do not have to ask for what is given for salvation one just needs to place faith in the Lord Jesus Christ they will be saved and receive the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does more than what some think He does. He is with us, in us, and comes upon us.
You more than welcome to disagree but please provide Biblical support for your opinion if you don't mind.
Thank you
Here it is again:
That is your opinion but in John 20:22 Jesus breathed on them and said: " Recieve the Holy Spirit". The risen Lord said this and He stayed with them 40 days, then after instructing the Disciples to go and wait for power from on High. They had the Holy Spirit in them when Jesus said to them "Recieve the Holy Spirit." in John 20:22. They confessed Jesus is Lord (Roman 10:9-10) and they believed and were saved. Just as we are today when we place our faith in the Risen Lord.
Luke 24:49 Jesus tell them to go and wait for something more Power from on high.
What more would one need? Jesus was with them for 40 days. In the Book of Acts chapter one, the context continues Jesus is speaking in Acts 1:8 "You shall receive power after the Holy Spirit has come upon you. to be a witness". They did not need the Holy Spirit to be saved at Pentecost, they were already saved. They were empowered as the Holy Spirit came upon them as the Holy Spirit did in the old testament call the Spirit of the Lord or Spirit of the living God. Same Holy Spirit but now The Holy Spirit abides with us as John chapter 14 states. Your suggestion of a special experience for the elite few is not what the word of God teaches. Jesus said in Luke 11:13 "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”"
what are you asking for? The Holy Spirit comes to be in you as Jesus said in John chapter 14. You do not have to ask for what is given for salvation one just needs to place faith in the Lord Jesus Christ they will be saved and receive the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does more than what some think He does. He is with us, in us, and comes upon us.
You more than welcome to disagree but please provide Biblical support for your opinion if you don't mind.
Thank you
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You keep forgetting "two kinds of signs". 1 follows and 2 leads. Its the spirit of error that would make the two as if it was one.
He hates prophecy. It as a tattle tale exposes his wiles. He loves his false sign that he makes into lying wonders turning things upside down. . . . as those who after all the prophecy that exposes their lies . . . still refuse to hear prophecy .They fall backward as a sign to help identify them selves with also making unknow sounds as self edifying tool. . pick me fill me uppers .
Sure there is signs for those who beleive not prophecy (God's tongue) for those who do believe not ..no faith. Have you figured out what the sign means yet? its the key to understanding the tongues doctrine. God bringing the gospel as spoken of in Joel men women from every nation under heaven . It establishes the law as to the use of signs. Sign are for those who rebel Prophecy for those who do hear God and believe. they have a sign a metaphor made up of more that one kid of metaphor. that follows they have heard the gospel Follow after. Not something to be desired and sought after as a lying wonder. Do you need some examples ?
Below is the law of signs. It designed for those who believe not prophecy (sola scriptura ) they add tradition of sinners like falling back or making a noise, confirming something?.
For those like Moses and Aaron they believed prophecy (the time had come 400 years) God used sign to confirm he existed since they believed the not words of Moses an Aron (prophecy) killing the first born worked.. . . where prophecy could not.
Note... green prophecy related, orange those who refuse to hear prophecy
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.! Corinthian 14:22-23
Don't throw away the key to understanding the doctrine of tonge . Whey exchange for a unknown wonderment?
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so let me get this straight
eg and wolfie are not really sure what stones is saying but they know she is wrong
eg knows she is wrong and has taken it so far as to say what she believes is not from the word of God because he knows, yes he knows, that you receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit upon salvation. now he knows this because he cannot wrap his mind around how it really happens because it has not happened to him and so that means no one else has had it happen either
he has noticed he does not have a special power, but he knows he doesn't want it even if it is available because he does not have it
good for him. you sure can't beat that type of reasoning...not even with a wooden spoon
we will simply dismiss the fact that Jesus said that the disciples and other believers would have POWER to witness for Him AFTER the Holy Spirit came upon them. they were already saved and believing in Jesus so it was AFTER salvation and not upon salvation
and of course wolfie is a cessationist who denies any and all scripture or historical references and goes on to say that no one has answered him. of course that is now true, because no one who has answered him, will continue to answer him, after answering him mulitple times and being told by him that you have not answered him
one day they will both find out they were wrong. not saying they are not saved; that is God's domain
but having taught against the truth and pounded others who have tried skillfully and patiently to lead them out of their circular reasoning, it might cause embarrassment. is there embarrassment in the after life?
now at least one of these 2 have told me in no uncertain terms that they have me on ignore
stay tuned to see if that is true or not. it's like holding your breath until you are purple as some children are wont to do
you might pass out first though
please appreciate the sarcastic humor for what it is worth. neither of you can beat it. getting angry does not count
eg and wolfie are not really sure what stones is saying but they know she is wrong
eg knows she is wrong and has taken it so far as to say what she believes is not from the word of God because he knows, yes he knows, that you receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit upon salvation. now he knows this because he cannot wrap his mind around how it really happens because it has not happened to him and so that means no one else has had it happen either
he has noticed he does not have a special power, but he knows he doesn't want it even if it is available because he does not have it
good for him. you sure can't beat that type of reasoning...not even with a wooden spoon
we will simply dismiss the fact that Jesus said that the disciples and other believers would have POWER to witness for Him AFTER the Holy Spirit came upon them. they were already saved and believing in Jesus so it was AFTER salvation and not upon salvation
and of course wolfie is a cessationist who denies any and all scripture or historical references and goes on to say that no one has answered him. of course that is now true, because no one who has answered him, will continue to answer him, after answering him mulitple times and being told by him that you have not answered him
one day they will both find out they were wrong. not saying they are not saved; that is God's domain
but having taught against the truth and pounded others who have tried skillfully and patiently to lead them out of their circular reasoning, it might cause embarrassment. is there embarrassment in the after life?
now at least one of these 2 have told me in no uncertain terms that they have me on ignore
stay tuned to see if that is true or not. it's like holding your breath until you are purple as some children are wont to do
you might pass out first though
please appreciate the sarcastic humor for what it is worth. neither of you can beat it. getting angry does not count
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so let me get this straight
eg and wolfie are not really sure what stones is saying but they know she is wrong
eg knows she is wrong and has taken it so far as to say what she believes is not from the word of God because he knows, yes he knows, that you receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit upon salvation. now he knows this because he cannot wrap his mind around how it really happens because it has not happened to him and so that means no one else has had it happen either
he has noticed he does not have a special power, but he knows he doesn't want it even if it is available because he does not have it
good for him. you sure can't beat that type of reasoning...not even with a wooden spoon
we will simply dismiss the fact that Jesus said that the disciples and other believers would have POWER to witness for Him AFTER the Holy Spirit came upon them. they were already saved and believing in Jesus so it was AFTER salvation and not upon salvation
and of course wolfie is a cessationist who denies any and all scripture or historical references and goes on to say that no one has answered him. of course that is now true, because no one who has answered him, will continue to answer him, after answering him mulitple times and being told by him that you have not answered him
one day they will both find out they were wrong. not saying they are not saved; that is God's domain
but having taught against the truth and pounded others who have tried skillfully and patiently to lead them out of their circular reasoning, it might cause embarrassment. is there embarrassment in the after life?
now at least one of these 2 have told me in no uncertain terms that they have me on ignore
stay tuned to see if that is true or not. it's like holding your breath until you are purple as some children are wont to do
you might pass out first though
please appreciate the sarcastic humor for what it is worth. neither of you can beat it. getting angry does not count
eg and wolfie are not really sure what stones is saying but they know she is wrong
eg knows she is wrong and has taken it so far as to say what she believes is not from the word of God because he knows, yes he knows, that you receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit upon salvation. now he knows this because he cannot wrap his mind around how it really happens because it has not happened to him and so that means no one else has had it happen either
he has noticed he does not have a special power, but he knows he doesn't want it even if it is available because he does not have it
good for him. you sure can't beat that type of reasoning...not even with a wooden spoon
we will simply dismiss the fact that Jesus said that the disciples and other believers would have POWER to witness for Him AFTER the Holy Spirit came upon them. they were already saved and believing in Jesus so it was AFTER salvation and not upon salvation
and of course wolfie is a cessationist who denies any and all scripture or historical references and goes on to say that no one has answered him. of course that is now true, because no one who has answered him, will continue to answer him, after answering him mulitple times and being told by him that you have not answered him
one day they will both find out they were wrong. not saying they are not saved; that is God's domain
but having taught against the truth and pounded others who have tried skillfully and patiently to lead them out of their circular reasoning, it might cause embarrassment. is there embarrassment in the after life?
now at least one of these 2 have told me in no uncertain terms that they have me on ignore
stay tuned to see if that is true or not. it's like holding your breath until you are purple as some children are wont to do
you might pass out first though
please appreciate the sarcastic humor for what it is worth. neither of you can beat it. getting angry does not count
I would not pay them any mind it is better to ignore such types
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so let me get this straight
eg and wolfie are not really sure what stones is saying but they know she is wrong
eg knows she is wrong and has taken it so far as to say what she believes is not from the word of God because he knows, yes he knows, that you receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit upon salvation. now he knows this because he cannot wrap his mind around how it really happens because it has not happened to him and so that means no one else has had it happen either
he has noticed he does not have a special power, but he knows he doesn't want it even if it is available because he does not have it
good for him. you sure can't beat that type of reasoning...not even with a wooden spoon
we will simply dismiss the fact that Jesus said that the disciples and other believers would have POWER to witness for Him AFTER the Holy Spirit came upon them. they were already saved and believing in Jesus so it was AFTER salvation and not upon salvation
and of course wolfie is a cessationist who denies any and all scripture or historical references and goes on to say that no one has answered him. of course that is now true, because no one who has answered him, will continue to answer him, after answering him mulitple times and being told by him that you have not answered him
one day they will both find out they were wrong. not saying they are not saved; that is God's domain
but having taught against the truth and pounded others who have tried skillfully and patiently to lead them out of their circular reasoning, it might cause embarrassment. is there embarrassment in the after life?
now at least one of these 2 have told me in no uncertain terms that they have me on ignore
stay tuned to see if that is true or not. it's like holding your breath until you are purple as some children are wont to do
you might pass out first though
please appreciate the sarcastic humor for what it is worth. neither of you can beat it. getting angry does not count
eg and wolfie are not really sure what stones is saying but they know she is wrong
eg knows she is wrong and has taken it so far as to say what she believes is not from the word of God because he knows, yes he knows, that you receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit upon salvation. now he knows this because he cannot wrap his mind around how it really happens because it has not happened to him and so that means no one else has had it happen either
he has noticed he does not have a special power, but he knows he doesn't want it even if it is available because he does not have it
good for him. you sure can't beat that type of reasoning...not even with a wooden spoon
we will simply dismiss the fact that Jesus said that the disciples and other believers would have POWER to witness for Him AFTER the Holy Spirit came upon them. they were already saved and believing in Jesus so it was AFTER salvation and not upon salvation
and of course wolfie is a cessationist who denies any and all scripture or historical references and goes on to say that no one has answered him. of course that is now true, because no one who has answered him, will continue to answer him, after answering him mulitple times and being told by him that you have not answered him
one day they will both find out they were wrong. not saying they are not saved; that is God's domain
but having taught against the truth and pounded others who have tried skillfully and patiently to lead them out of their circular reasoning, it might cause embarrassment. is there embarrassment in the after life?
now at least one of these 2 have told me in no uncertain terms that they have me on ignore
stay tuned to see if that is true or not. it's like holding your breath until you are purple as some children are wont to do
you might pass out first though
please appreciate the sarcastic humor for what it is worth. neither of you can beat it. getting angry does not count
EG knows exactly what Stones is saying. EG has no question. I do not know WHERE SHE GETS IT (she claims she did not get it from the people she spoke to) But he knows what it is.
You need to stop assuming you know what people think, because everytime you do. You just make yourself look bad.
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Scripture doesn't identify two and only two kinds of signs. You're adding to Scripture again. You're also assuming that I believe things that I have never asserted; don't do that please.
It's unfortunate that there are people who are easily misled. Scripture foretold of them. You can't seem to distinguish between people who are misled and people who simply interpret Scripture differently, with good reason, than you do. It would really be better for you to quote actual people who hold to the ideas you decry. Who are they?
Punctuation is your friend only if you know how to utilize it properly. Law is what God gave to Moses. Scripture is what God gave to believers. If you conflate the two, you will go off into error. Not everything in Scripture is a "law".
I've refuted this at least twice. Are five examples from Scripture not enough to demonstrate the error of your position?
Again, who are "they"?
Again, it's not a "law". It isn't even a quotation from the Law. It's from Isaiah; Isaiah is a prophet, and his writings are in the prophetic books, not in the Law.
Either you're contradicting yourself, or your meaning is lost between your head and your fingers. Proper sentence structure and use of punctuation might help.
What makes you think I exchange anything for unknown wonderment? Where do you get such silly ideas?
It's unfortunate that there are people who are easily misled. Scripture foretold of them. You can't seem to distinguish between people who are misled and people who simply interpret Scripture differently, with good reason, than you do. It would really be better for you to quote actual people who hold to the ideas you decry. Who are they?
Punctuation is your friend only if you know how to utilize it properly. Law is what God gave to Moses. Scripture is what God gave to believers. If you conflate the two, you will go off into error. Not everything in Scripture is a "law".
I've refuted this at least twice. Are five examples from Scripture not enough to demonstrate the error of your position?
Again, who are "they"?
Again, it's not a "law". It isn't even a quotation from the Law. It's from Isaiah; Isaiah is a prophet, and his writings are in the prophetic books, not in the Law.
Either you're contradicting yourself, or your meaning is lost between your head and your fingers. Proper sentence structure and use of punctuation might help.
What makes you think I exchange anything for unknown wonderment? Where do you get such silly ideas?
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no one has stated only an elite few are entitled to be baptized in the Holy Spirit
it's basically whosoever will just like salvation
but with the attitude of so many, it seems God would not baptize them in the Spirit unless they apologized first for their nasty words to those who have tried very hard to present the truth, with scripture and patience that must be from om God Himself since so many are nasty...that last part is not you, but you certainly do not agree with scripture. I don't mean apologize to people...I mean apologize to God. you will probably want to apologize to people after that because the Holy Spirit will tap you on the shoulder about it
all believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit Ephesians 1:13, but the book of Acts clearly clearly reveals that you can be saved but not baptized in the Holy Spirit
I mean honestly, now you folks are trying to say we think we are elite? sorry, but that is truly garbage and a snare and very untrue
yes, it is the same Holy Spirit, but two separate occasions. you belong to Christ but you are not Spirit baptized
that's the simple truth. actually, life as scripture tells it, is only possible when one is baptized in the Holy Spirit.
easy to just say that miracles etc are no longer for today so a person has no need to examine their faith or even believe that God has a life for them they might not be able to live without supernatural intervention
now not everyone will really understand that last sentence. that is also just a simple truth
it's basically whosoever will just like salvation
but with the attitude of so many, it seems God would not baptize them in the Spirit unless they apologized first for their nasty words to those who have tried very hard to present the truth, with scripture and patience that must be from om God Himself since so many are nasty...that last part is not you, but you certainly do not agree with scripture. I don't mean apologize to people...I mean apologize to God. you will probably want to apologize to people after that because the Holy Spirit will tap you on the shoulder about it
all believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit Ephesians 1:13, but the book of Acts clearly clearly reveals that you can be saved but not baptized in the Holy Spirit
I mean honestly, now you folks are trying to say we think we are elite? sorry, but that is truly garbage and a snare and very untrue
yes, it is the same Holy Spirit, but two separate occasions. you belong to Christ but you are not Spirit baptized
that's the simple truth. actually, life as scripture tells it, is only possible when one is baptized in the Holy Spirit.
easy to just say that miracles etc are no longer for today so a person has no need to examine their faith or even believe that God has a life for them they might not be able to live without supernatural intervention
now not everyone will really understand that last sentence. that is also just a simple truth
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How many kinds of sign other than in respect to #1 belief faith...or "2 unbelief no faith. . . does it describe? The father of lies would have us to believe all one ad the same He needs the things seen to give himself a voice. He hates prophecy. it show he is not a true source of faith again he need the things seen to give him any power (no voice of his own in Deaf and Dumber)
Signs that accompany salvation that follow. . . or signs we are to seek after,. Signs of un-belief. . . no faith coming form hearing God . The yet for all that they refuse to hear the Lord. as it is written or...... signs of belief using metaphor to speak of the new things that accompany salvation like a new tongue, "the gospel" it can cast out demons and other metaphors that speak of the unseen new attributes we a privileged to carry …..protecting us from the wiles of the evil one. .the poison of false prophecy.
on guard touche . . . . LOl
Signs that accompany salvation that follow. . . or signs we are to seek after,. Signs of un-belief. . . no faith coming form hearing God . The yet for all that they refuse to hear the Lord. as it is written or...... signs of belief using metaphor to speak of the new things that accompany salvation like a new tongue, "the gospel" it can cast out demons and other metaphors that speak of the unseen new attributes we a privileged to carry …..protecting us from the wiles of the evil one. .the poison of false prophecy.
on guard touche . . . . LOl
The baptism (unseen) by the (unseen Holy Spirit) is what saves us . Without the baptism of the holy Spirit most people would not offer a demonstration showing that they had a desire to become a member of the new order of priest . The water baptism does not confirm a person has salvation It literally conform they got wet. , it an appeal to God to be used in honor of the (unseen) baptism making them eligible be become Ambassadors for Christ sent from a far away land. .
The foundation of water baptism is found in the old testament. Just as the tongues doctrine. Two doctrines that men try and make into a work of wonderment they can perform to confirm something. . it was the discussion was in John 3 . John the last Levi under the old order baptized Jesus from a ineligible tribe Judah ….to introduce the high priest after the manner of Melchezedek .
It would seem you are seeking after what the Bible calls, "the wrong manner of spirit" looking to the things seen to give the unseen eternal spiritual understanding.
Instead of a pick me upper wonderment it could the turn out to be turn me upside-downer
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
The foundation of water baptism is found in the old testament. Just as the tongues doctrine. Two doctrines that men try and make into a work of wonderment they can perform to confirm something. . it was the discussion was in John 3 . John the last Levi under the old order baptized Jesus from a ineligible tribe Judah ….to introduce the high priest after the manner of Melchezedek .
It would seem you are seeking after what the Bible calls, "the wrong manner of spirit" looking to the things seen to give the unseen eternal spiritual understanding.
Instead of a pick me upper wonderment it could the turn out to be turn me upside-downer
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.