During Tribulation, is it still Faith only for salvation?

Listen Gongshow......no matter how many times you try and skew the bible and or truths of the bible into a working for dogma it will never ring true.......the bible is clear....ONLY THE DECEIVED LOST WILL TAKE THE MARK, those saved will NOT TAKE IT and this in no way, shape or form equates to works on their part!

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I meant saved as in salvation.

The focus is to understand how different people understand the concept of salvation as a free gift.

Seems everyone is clear enough, thanks to scripture, that salvation during the tribulation involve Faith AND rejecting the mark of the beast.

As to whether the latter condition is considered as also part of faith or as work is of course up to each of us to decide according to our favourite church doctrine.

So is salvation really free for us during the tribulation period, if it requires you to starve to death or beheaded?

Bur if one believe in Jesus and still not receive salvation because he did not reject the mark, how can salvation be still a free gift?

But you also agree that it’s the blood of Jesus AND not taking the mark of the beast for salvation during the tribulation?

Believing in Jesus is no longer the only condition for salvation?

That is true. Thank God that the church is delivered from that wrath.

You were dead and could not stand before God until the blood of the Cross, one spirit confesses that while another spirit is in a rage of panic trying to reason through what to do as if something is left undone,one is born again the other is dead.

lol, when that SoP comes he will have his work cut out trying to convince the Lords they are not saved and need saving.

A BIG AMEN to that! We would not want to be exposed to the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

Faith is the only condition for salvation. However, because it will be during the time of the beasts reign, their faith will require them to resist the beast, his image and his mark. Their persecution and deaths will just be the result of their faith. It was the same with the apostles and the first century church. By Their preaching the gospel, they exposed themselves to persecution and death. The only difference between them and those saints during the tribulation period, is that they will be exposed to God's wrath, where the first century church wasn't. Even though we currently still have freedom of faith here in America, we are still to take up our crosses daily, which includes persecution and death.

I have problems accepting that salvation can be a free gift and still requiring the recipient to pay a price to keep that gift permanently.

At least when I give gifts to people and tell them to receive it freely, I will be insulting myself if I were to ever take back that gift in the future because he did not do what I hope he would do, after receiving the gift.

But I do understand many people are fine with that, so to each his own.

It is important to understand that though salvation is a free gift, the gift of salvation requires faith, from beginning to end. God offers us forgiveness through faith in His Son. A person can reject that gift by falling away from Christ and willfully living according to the sinful nature. However, I don't know why anyone would want to do that, because the alternative is the lake of fire.

True, it requires faith but the bible define faith as the substance of things hoped for. One hope for salvation and one receives it by stretching out one's hand and accepting the gift of salvation from the giver, believing that it is now his.

But the moment one tries to add to that definition of faith, with requirements as extreme as "willing to starve to death, willing to be beheaded for it", to me, it ceases to be a gift, but something that you work for.

It's simply apart of having faith, not works. Jesus said, "if you love your life more than me, you're not worthy of me." So, being persecuted and/or the threat of death is simply apart of keeping ones faith. If being persecuted was a work and required for salvation, then everyone would have to be persecuted and put to death. In short, as believers in Christ, we are to take up our crosses daily, which means enduring anything that God allows to happen in every believers life. Please see below regarding salvation by works:

"God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. 9Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. (NLT)

In the GT, many times in the Revelation it states that Gods wrath is poured out on those who worship the image and receive the mark but I cant see any verses that say his wrath is poured out on those who do not,do you? I cant see him pouring out his wrath on the ones who do not worship the image and receive the mark(innocent of it), is why I ask.

Yes I agree this is under our current grace dispensation. That was why I specifically ask about the Tribulation period. I believe you are also a dispensationalist who believe that the grace dispensation would end with the rapture of the church?

So after it ends, I believe it will once again be faith AND works for salvation. It makes sense since the books of Hebrews to Revelations are placed after the books written by Paul, and Paul represents the grace dispensation. In those books, we see a lot of salvation requiring faith and works, such as the famous James chapter 2, as well as 1 John.

Actually, yes there are scriptures in Revelation that refer to the great tribulation saints being exposed to God's wrath, which I will describe below. But first, because God's wrath affects the entire earth, there is no way that no one can be affected by those plagues of wrath. In other words, just by being on the earth people will be exposed. Regarding this, consider the following:

Second seal: Peace is taken from the earth so that mankind kills each other
Third seal: World-wide famine, so that a small amount of food will cost a your entire days wages. And that's just food!
Fourth Seal: A fourth of the earths population killed as a result of the combined first four seals
First trumpet: A third of the earth and a third of the trees burned up. How many fatalities involved?
Second Trumpet: A third of the creatures in the sea killed and a third of the ships destroyed. How many people on those ships and how many people in those cities, towns and villages on every shore of that body of water will be killed?
Third Trumpet: A third of the rivers and fresh water is contaminated so that many people die from drinking it.
Fifth Trumpet: Demonic beings resembling locusts are released from the Abyss to torment the inhabitants of the earth.
Sixth Trumpet: Four fallen angels are released and with their demonic army of 200 million, kill a third of the earths inhabitants
Second Bowl: Ocean is turned into literal blood
Third Bowl: All fresh water, except for the Euphrates is turned to blood
Fourth Bowl: The sun is given power to scorch the inhabitants of the earth, searing them with intense heat. How many fatalities?

Now just looking at what I've listed above, you can see that no one on the earth is going to be able to escape the results of those plagues of wrath. Now getting back to your question, if we look at the information regarding those saints who come out of the great tribulation, we can see that they will in fact suffer from those plagues of wrath:

"For this reason, ‘They are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in His temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them. Never again will they hunger, and never will they thirst; nor will the sun beat down upon them, nor any scorching heat."

1). Never again will they hunger

The reference to them never hungering or thirsting again, would demonstrate that they will have suffered because of the world-wide famine, as well as a third of the creatures in the sea dying as a result of the second trumpet.

2). Never again will they thirst

The reference to never again thirsting, would be referring to when a third of the rivers and fresh water are contaminated, as well as when the ocean and fresh waters are turned to blood.

3). Never again will the sun beat down upon them nor any scorching heat

The reference to the sun not beating down on them nor any scorching heat, is referring to the results of the fourth bowl judgment when the angel pours out his bowl on the sun where it is given power to scorch people, searing them with intense heat.

So yes, these are some of the scriptures showing that the great tribulation saints will have been exposed to those plagues of wrath and that simply because they are on the earth.

Nope, not by works. Persecution and the threat of death are just results of having faith. So tell me, were the apostles and the first century church saved by faith and works? They were persecuted and put to death for their faith. However, scripture makes it clear that it is by faith alone that we saved. Keeping our faith in Christ in the face of opposition is par for the course.

Only under grace dispensation, do we show our faith by trusting in Jesus death burial and resurrection and cease from our works.

For others, they showed their faith differently., thru works. Rahab had to hide spies, Noah had to build an ark, Abel have to offer the correct sacrifice and so and so forth stated in Hebrews 11.

Thus during the tribulation, one show your faith by another work, you need to reject the mark of the beast. That is what James was saying.