Not By Works

I do not believe one word that comes out of your double tongued mouth.....

YES or NO......if a man trusts JESUS by faith and is saved yet does NO works for 50 years is he saved or not

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness

NOPE. Everything in that post was DESCRIPTIVE and none of it was PRESCRIPTIVE.

Did you forget the difference again?

Stop arguing with people who believe in salvation BY FAITH THROUGH GRACE, ALONE. And know the difference between cause and effect, because you don't seem to know the difference.

Good works are not the cause of salvation, they are the EFFECT of salvation.

Because we love God and love neighbor, because of our and that because of our NEW NATURE.

You mean if they spend their whole life living in the flesh instead of the Spirit? Try Romans 8:1-9 to find your answer, particularly verses 5 and 9

I do not believe one word that comes out of your double tongued mouth.....

YES or NO......if a man trusts JESUS by faith and is saved yet does NO works for 50 years is he saved or not

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness

Someone who did an x does not believe that works are the effect of salvation and that we do not love God because of our new nature

Does the one who is justified have to be idle for 50 years to stay justified?

Or did Christ die for us to redeem us as a people zealous of Good works

And do those who are of the Spirit mind the things of the Spirit and ignore the things of the Spirit at the same time.

Someone put an x on a post that contains a statement of fact, ie those who do not live after the Spirit are by default living after the flesh, and then referenced a passage that states that very thing.

You ever worked with people on skid row who have been born again.....it is important for all of us to not read scripture through our own life experience.
Just sayin!!

You ever worked with people on skid row who have been born again.....it is important for all of us to not read scripture through our own life experience.
Just sayin!!

The above proves that you do not believe a faith only based salvation......and you still have not answered the question....a deceiver that blends faith plus works...

Yes or no.....a man that has faith but DOES NOT WORK saved or not?

But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness

AMEN.........and he obviously does not know what I believe......I red x'ed because he posted it.....has nothing to do with what I believe or don't believe.....

Or did Christ die for us to redeem us as a people zealous of Good works

Did not Jesus die for us to take sins upon him?
Those sins that seperated us from God.
The temple curtain was torn in two and as a result we can come before God.
The purpose to reconcile us to God through faith in Jesus.

So Jesus did not die for us to redeem us as a zealous people of good works.
When a person comes to Jesus they are not zealous of good works, if they were doing such works, would there be a need for Jesus to die?

So does the following apply, given your statement?

Romans 4:1-4

Abraham Justified by Faith
(Gen. 17:10)
1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

Romans 4:5-8

David Celebrates the Same Truth
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

So I say that when a person who comes to faith in Jesus they are not thinking "Whey hey I'm going to do great works"

They come to Jesus for many reasons, but not the above.

That does not mean that works do not follow.
But the majority of people come to Jesus out of their pain of life, hurts etc.
Such people are who I walk with in my church. It's my ministry.

In fact today I spent 3 hours with a guy.
Very shocking upbringing, similar to mine.
Sexual abuse, broken family and everything that results from it.
Addiction, anger, pain, broken heart and so on.

We looked and walked through forgiveness.
It broke my heart to see this pain and hurt but I was reminded that I was there and God brought me through me it.

I quoted to him

Romans 8:28-29
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Most people stop at v28 and also misinterprete it.
Most that I have walked with think it means that God makes all the bad things that happened to them good.

I told him that is not the case.
But he will work in those things and then quoted v29.
He works good in the bad in order to conform you to the image of Jesus.
As he does then

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

You see unless we understand what is said in Romans and allow God to work in us and understand we are saved by faith then it is going to be very difficult to walk in the good works he has called us to.

Now these good works are not just sin management.

These good works are what God gives us to walk with others who have been through what we have been through.

What use would I be to this guy if I hadn't been through it, experience the pain and consequences?

NADA, zilch, zero.

So I encourage him to work through this so that God will heal him and use him to help others.

When he came to Jesus he was not thinking of zealous works.
In fact the opposite. He was looking for Security, Acceptance and Significance that can only be found in Jesus, out of which everything flows.

Sorry for the long post but I'm responding to your quote based on my interpretation of it.

AMEN.........and he obviously does not know what I believe......I red x'ed because he posted it.....has nothing to do with what I believe or don't believe.....

Yes, a man who believes apart from works is saved. Works follow salvation, as I have said at least a half dozen times today

I have just noticed that people really cannot tolerate the plan of salvation....they always state yes there are no works involved, but then they stipulate the saved person will work and persevere.

What they cannot see is they make it a condition of salvation...if they truly believe the Gospel message they would more accurately state the believer is called/exhorted/led to walk the Spirit, in the newness of life and thereby do the works God has set before them.

HOWEVER............one can grieve the Spirit and one can work against their relationship with God because we still have our flesh, people need a lot of support and truth to have a worthy walk, and @eternally-gratefull mentioned it a post way back, lordship salvation is a grace killer and people do become the prodigal sons because of it.

The guy I spent time with today smokes joints in the evening.
It's his escape from the hurt and pain.
He was ashamed of it and worried I would reject him.

I said to him "Smoking dope is not the issue here, the issue is the cause, that is what needs to dealt with"

Telling him to just stop does not work, because if he could he would not be seeking help.

Not reading it through life experience. Just letting it say what it says.

Bringing up skid row is actually interpreting according to what you observe. In other words, interpreting the Bible according to what you see, instead of interpreting what you see through the lens of the Bible. Just sayin