Not By Works

I'm back folks. My husband had surgery for bladder cancer. His name is Jim. Please keep him in your prayers. The pathology does show all removed and no treatment needed at this time. Praise God from whom all blessings flow.

PS: I posted here on this thread because it's the only thread I usually care to comment on.

I agree with you about the bold text above, "faith is not a work" and "salvific faith is a gift".

Perhaps we can agree on the following as well?

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

My mistake.... sorry we do not agree it should have read salvific is not a gift, since you listed Calvin as one you read I would also argue that Calvin did not teach that salvific faith was a gift the way it is understood today.

With regards to Hebrews "our' is not in the original text..and this does not mean He directly infuses faith into the person..He is however the orginator or the cause of our faith from beginning to end.

I think this keeps scripture consistent with being "hearers of the word" and responding to what is heard....the call to a change of mind.

We will have to agree to disagree on this subject then. I do not have the time to get into a lengthy discussion here with you about it.

I am familiar with Calvin's position on the subject, but his name being posted by me here (#101,115) was in reference to the "antichrist".

Your implication is that I read Calvin's teachings. On that list included Luther, Mather, Cranmer, Edwards, and members of other denominations as well. Interesting that you did not bring up their positions on the subject of faith being a gift from God.

I am not a Calvinist, just a sinner saved by grace through faith in Christ, and not of myself.

Romans 9:16
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Before you make a broad statement that NO WORKS SAVE US , you need to read John 6:29. “...this is the WORK OF god that you believe...”. You have just eliminated Faith as necessary to salvation b



If you say we are not saved by works, then you are saying we are not saved by faith! John 6:29 “!


Mark 12:24- you are mistaken because you do not know the scriptures nor the power of God. If you insist that we cannot be saved by works then you have just eliminated faith because faith is a work! Read it in John 6:29. Obviously you do not know that there are at least 3 or 4 different kinds of works talked about in the Bible: works of the law of Moses “whoever seeks to be justified by the law, he is fallen from Grace (Galatians), there are boastful works, “ not of works lest anyone should boast”, Ephesians , these would be works that men have thought up by themselves, not commanded by God. Playing Ball for Jesus and selling chicken dinners to raise money for good causes are some that come to my mind, mzybe you can think of others. These were the kinds of works that men on the day of judgment told Jesus “ but Lord l, Lord, have we not done many mighty works in your name? “ But Jesus said “Depart from me you who work lawlessness. “. That means without lawful authority from Jesus. Has He told you to do these things? Then you may be working without law or his authority. There are others (works of the flesh Galatians) but the most important one that you must understand is that there are also WORKS of God. These are works approved of God. They come from God, not men and they are COMMADED BY God. So yes, we ARE SAVED BY WORKS- the works of God. That’s why James says we are saved by works and Ephesians says NOT by works. There is no contradiction there between Paul and James. Paul specifically identifies the kinds of works he is talking about (boastful works) and James identifies the kind he is talking about. (Works of God).

We do not learn to walk like Jesus, that is my point .... the end point is already the beginning point....do you see, there is no process.

I'm back folks. My husband had surgery for bladder cancer. His name is Jim. Please keep him in your prayers. The pathology does show all removed and no treatment needed at this time. Praise God from whom all blessings flow.

PS: I posted here on this thread because it's the only thread I usually care to comment on.

It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!

English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Study Bible
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
He saved us, not by works in righteousness that we did, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!

English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Study Bible
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
He saved us, not by works in righteousness that we did, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!

English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Study Bible
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
He saved us, not by works in righteousness that we did, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ecclesiastes 7:20 (NKJV)
20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.

James 2:10 (NIV)
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Romans 3:12 (YLT)
12 All did go out of the way, together they became unprofitable, there is none doing good, there is not even one.

Romans 3:10 (NASB)
10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;

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See my thread on faith and works. Question. Is John 6:29 a righteous work that we are NOT saved by?

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See my thread on faith and works. Question. Is John 6:29 a righteous work that we are NOT saved by?

Mr. VCO, I am thinking you are not understanding what I am writing...not really sure how else I can rephrase it ...but it is okay, only thing I am stating that Jesus is Holy and He lives in us, we manifest his holiness outward, on some days better than others.

I too have been wondering if your terminology is the same as mine. That could be the problem.
And what I am saying the Sin Nature still exists in our Mortal Bodies, as long as we are in it.
Yes we inherit HIS positional holiness, however we do not COAST to the Finish Line, WE Strive to the Finish Line, like Paul said.

You seem to me like you are satisfied with COASTING.

Philippians 3:12-15 (ESV)
12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.
13 Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,
14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you.

Before you make a broad statement that NO WORKS SAVE US , you need to read John 6:29. “...this is the WORK OF god that you believe...”. You have just eliminated Faith as necessary to salvation b



If you say we are not saved by works, then you are saying we are not saved by faith! John 6:29 “!


Mark 12:24- you are mistaken because you do not know the scriptures nor the power of God. If you insist that we cannot be saved by works then you have just eliminated faith because faith is a work! Read it in John 6:29. Obviously you do not know that there are at least 3 or 4 different kinds of works talked about in the Bible: works of the law of Moses “whoever seeks to be justified by the law, he is fallen from Grace (Galatians), there are boastful works, “ not of works lest anyone should boast”, Ephesians , these would be works that men have thought up by themselves, not commanded by God. Playing Ball for Jesus and selling chicken dinners to raise money for good causes are some that come to my mind, mzybe you can think of others. These were the kinds of works that men on the day of judgment told Jesus “ but Lord l, Lord, have we not done many mighty works in your name? “ But Jesus said “Depart from me you who work lawlessness. “. That means without lawful authority from Jesus. Has He told you to do these things? Then you may be working without law or his authority. There are others (works of the flesh Galatians) but the most important one that you must understand is that there are also WORKS of God. These are works approved of God. They come from God, not men and they are COMMADED BY God. So yes, we ARE SAVED BY WORKS- the works of God. That’s why James says we are saved by works and Ephesians says NOT by works. There is no contradiction there between Paul and James. Paul specifically identifies the kinds of works he is talking about (boastful works) and James identifies the kind he is talking about. (Works of God).

are there any textual variants in any manuscripts of matthew 27:44?

Yes I agree, we strive to walk in the Spirit not in the flesh

And we are to PRACTICE RIGHTEOUSNESS, and guess what happens when we PRACTICE ANYTHING?
We get better at it.


Psalm 106:3 (NASB)
3 How blessed are those who keep justice, Who practice righteousness at all times!

Matthew 6:1 (CSBBible)
1 "Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them.
Otherwise, you have no reward with your Father in heaven.

1 John 3:10 (ESV)
10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

Revelation 22:11 (NASB)
11 "Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous,
still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy."


🡹 Can you see my point now ?