Gay wedding

I would assume one would have to be saved to repent..?

I would assume one would have to be saved to repent..?

Lots of good banter here, lots of good thoughts. Loved the discussion on the woman being stoned. Wish we knew what Jesus wrote!

In the end it's what would God have us do? If there's guilt by association then Jesus is guilty of a lot of sins. The primary guiding force I see is welcome sinners - but do not participate in their sin - and shun believers who refuse correction.

I'm glad I went; it's always good to keep an eye on what the enemy is doing, and I know I gave comfort to at least one other attendant who was really questioning if he should be there. As it stands lines of communication are open, but no of course I would not in any way 'hang out' with them. Yuk. Makes my skin crawl.

I would assume one would have to be saved to repent..?

A man who is looking for the heart/will of God in the matter will see plainly that God holds "seed" in high regard. Man had better recognize this. To play games of ignorance regarding this matter will be at your own peril! Man carries the "seed":

G4690
σπέρμα
sperma
sper'-mah
From G4687; something sown, that is, seed (including the male “sperm”); by implication offspring; specifically a remnant (figuratively as if kept over for planting): - issue, seed.

LXX related word(s)
H319 acharit
H1121 ben
H1320 basar
H2233 zera
H5209 nin
H5220 nekhed


Where a man is to put this "sperma" in not left a mystery in the scripture. Into a rectum is to do more than despise the "seed" man is given...I could give words to describe how utterly insulting the act is, but you can find your own. Word of advice, seek absolute understanding in this matter before you place yourself at odds with a matter that is of particular importance to God.

I have a lifelong friend that is a lesbian. If she was gonna marry, and then invited me to her wedding, I’d definitely go.
If I didn’t go, what would that tell her about the Lord? Like Tourist said above, what did Jesus do? He wasn’t hiding under his bed, he participated in the events taking place where sinners gathered.
Heck, I’d even have a beer at the party😁.

What if a guy had a vasectomy?

No peril either 'cause I have been saved from the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for my sins and years ago invited the Holy Spirit to comfort and guide me in the life-long repentance process. I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over this.

All I said was that I could find no scripture that states explicitly that anal or oral sex as part of the physical intimacy between a husband and wife is sinful. As part of family planning what if a couple uses birth control? is that sinful too because the sperm is either killed off or is prevented from entering a fertile egg?

God holds everything about humans in high regard because He knitted us in the womb.

I'm not following your logic but to each his own I guess. I already stated for the record also that my wife and I do not practice these so-called distasteful acts of sex, but only because of personal preference and not because we believe that it is a sin. There is no scriptural evidence that it is a sin. My conscience is clear on this.

I am moving forward from this topic now and will chose a more interesting thread.

That is the issue ... do we love him for who he is or shun him for how he lives? He grew up Christian, and other than sexual orientation lives up to Christian standards better than anyone else I know. But I don't know if he really is Christian. And that alone provides a fork in the road in scripture. We are to love and welcome the sinner, but yeah like it was said above, a brother who has been shown correction and does not accept it is to be shunned. That would be the catch-22 of it all.

What if a guy had a vasectomy?

No peril either 'cause I have been saved from the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for my sins and years ago invited the Holy Spirit to comfort and guide me in the life-long repentance process. I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over this.

All I said was that I could find no scripture that states explicitly that anal or oral sex as part of the physical intimacy between a husband and wife is sinful. As part of family planning what if a couple uses birth control? is that sinful too because the sperm is either killed off or is prevented from entering a fertile egg?

God holds everything about humans in high regard because He knitted us in the womb.

I'm not following your logic but to each his own I guess. I already stated for the record also that my wife and I do not practice these so-called distasteful acts of sex, but only because of personal preference and not because we believe that it is a sin. There is no scriptural evidence that it is a sin. My conscience is clear on this.

I am moving forward from this topic now and will chose a more interesting thread.

Does scripture state pedophilia is a sin?

Thank you all, it's all good for consideration. I'm kinda leaning towards, I have to find out if he claims to be a Christian. If so, he's been talked to by others and by not making a correction I shouldn't go. But if he says he's not, then I'm thinking we need to draw sinners in by showing our love and being an example. And ya can't be an example if you're not present.

If you shun a believer, they know why it's happening even if they don't admit it.

If you shun a sinner, you're just a hater and good riddance with you and your religion.

I need to find out which he is

Why would you as a Christian drink beer, or any other alcohol?
Where is your testimony to being transformed and made separate from worldly people?

You do not understand the spiritual significance of marriage before God. Lesbians cannot marry, regardless of what vows they
exchange. It is only an unholy pagan ritual that mocks and offends real marriage. They seal their fate.
You are making our Lord and God, who is holy, partake of an unholy abomination with your attendance.
Your presence validates their profane mockery of marriage [which is God given for a man and a woman].
Rather your non-attendance as a Christian supporting righteousness is far more powerful statement unto the need for repentance.

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 2:

We’re hanging out with sinners everyday, we’re sinners ourselves and we all need Jesus.

You Sir, want to control and mock people who don’t think exactly like you do. I think your words remind me of the Pharisees.

You’re come across the kind of Christian that’s hiding instead of contributing in making the name of the Lord known where it is truly needed.

Shouldn’t you, rather than producing harsh words, be out there where people are, talking joyfully about the gospel, instead of trashing others?

I’m sure you know the letter of the law, but that alone doesn’t make you the judge of me.

I know I’m no better than you in my response to you, but I’m fully aware of the fact that I’m a sinner that need Jesus. I’m so glad I didn’t encounter you, or your sidekicks, when I really was down and out.

Why would you as a Christian drink beer, or any other alcohol?

You do not understand the spiritual significance of marriage before God. Lesbians cannot marry, regardless of what vows they
exchange. It is only an unholy pagan ritual that mocks and offends real marriage. They seal their fate.

You are making our Lord and God, who is holy, partake of an unholy abomination with your attendance.

Why would you as a Christian drink beer, or any other alcohol?*
Where is your testimony to being transformed and made separate from worldly people?

You do not understand the spiritual significance of marriage before God. Lesbians cannot marry, regardless of what vows they
exchange. It is only an unholy pagan ritual that mocks and offends real marriage. They seal their fate.
You are making our Lord and God, who is holy, partake of an unholy abomination with your attendance.
Your presence validates their profane mockery of marriage [which is God given for a man and a woman].
Rather your non-attendance as a Christian supporting righteousness is far more powerful statement unto the need for repentance.

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 2:

On a different tangent, we just got back from a wedding (my wife's straight niece). The father of the bride (a minister) has no problem with people drinking wine at weddings, he even made note that Jesus' first miracle was providing wine at a wedding. But he doesn't like wine so he didn't provide any for the guests. He wasn't against anyone else having some, he just didn't want any for himself so it was byob (altho he never let anyone know it was ok with him if they did so no one did). What do you make of someone who says "well I don't like this so I'm not providing some for others" ?

On a different tangent, we just got back from a wedding (my wife's straight niece). The father of the bride (a minister) has no problem with people drinking wine at weddings, he even made note that Jesus' first miracle was providing wine at a wedding. But he doesn't like wine so he didn't provide any for the guests. He wasn't against anyone else having some, he just didn't want any for himself so it was byob (altho he never let anyone know it was ok with him if they did so no one did). What do you make of someone who says "well I don't like this so I'm not providing some for others" ?