Born Again Speaking in Tongues

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Wansvic said:
Rom 6:17-18
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Rom 10:15-17
How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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I agree with these passages.

What is the gospel of peace?

That God, who made himself lower to the angels. Took on the form of man, Was obedient to the point of death, Raised, and now sits at the right hand of God. The perfect mediator between God and man. Sin paid for in full

Offers us, who are sinners, and not worthy of anything he has done, eternal life based on his true and amazing love in ALL he did.

And what does he ask us?

Say yes. In faith (not just mere belief) and take hold of this precious gift which he says he will give to us forever.

Like he said to those in john 6. Look for the food which endures to everlasting life, which he will give you, based on his death.

Whoever eats this food (takes it in, contemplates it, and entrusts this with all their heart) will never hunger or thirst, Never die, Live forever, Has eternal life, Has passed from death to life, and will be risen on the last day.

Thats the gospel, and that is what one must believe, receive and entrust their life on, to be saved.

Paul made it clear. Anyone who teaches anything else. Teaches a gospel which may be another, but is not a replacement gospel. And this gospel should be rejected.
 
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I think it would be important for those who have posted in this thread to understand whether you agree or not.

Speaking in tongues does not make you born again, saved, or required for salvation. Those who spoke in tounges in the word of God were saved first.

Born-again is in context with what Jesus was saying to Nicodemus in the Gospel of John Chapter 3. Jesus said to Nicodemus " you must be born again". Born of the Spirit Jesus said. that is in context to the experience which would happen once one placed their faith in the Resurrected Lord. As Jesus said in John and Paul said in Roman 10:9-10.

Baptism in water does not save you. We are saved by Grace through Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ
Baptism in water is what a saved person does as the first act of obedience of one following Jesus

Baptism in the Holy Spirit as mention in the Gospel of John chapter one is for empowerment to be a witness as Jesus said this would be for. Acts 1:8.
Tongues and speaking in tongues must be kept in context to how it was seen where it was said they spoke in Tougnes. Acts 2

the Gift of Tongues is in context to 1cor 12 to 14 chapters. What you think about is not my concern That is between you and the Lord.

However, baptism in water, the baptism in the Holy Spirit, and the gifts of the Holy Spirit are all contextually different.

if you are teaching you have to speak in tongues or be baptized to be saved YOU are wrong.
 
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Wansvic said:
The very first sentence Paul speaks states something he understood. People did not always receive the Holy Ghost the moment they believed. Period.

Paul approached the twelve disciples with no prior knowledge of where they stood spiritually speaking. Only after asking the question did Paul then tell them what was required. I don't understand how the truth seen in his question is so hard for people to comprehend.

Acts 19:1-2
And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?
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Maby you should realize that the disciples of John were believer according the OT. They could not have the Holy Spirit who was still in heaven.
Every believer in Christ after pentecost received the Holy Spirit to get born again. The baptism with the Holy Spirit.
This has nothing to do with the teaching which we find since the late 1880s and finaly realized in 1901.
The thing is, that your teaching has an consequence. The consequence that you must believe that you cant find a true believer before 1901 and in the case of australia, as I told to waggles, no true believer before 1908.
If you will not claiming that before the Pentecostal movement began in 1901 there exist worldwide no real christians, then you must confess thst something is wrong with your teaching. I suppose this you will not confess, that you could be wrong.
But you cant explain why your teaching was not taught in the bible.
This is inconsequent.
You defend a man made doctrine as from God, without getting shure it is from God ore maby from the angel of light.
If you are right, why then your teaching about the Holy Spirit causes so much false teachings and accept false teachings(f.e RRC doctrine)
 
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CS1 said:
I think it would be important for those who have posted in this thread to understand whether you agree or not.

Speaking in tongues does not make you born again, saved, or required for salvation. Those who spoke in tounges in the word of God were saved first.

Born-again is in context with what Jesus was saying to Nicodemus in the Gospel of John Chapter 3. Jesus said to Nicodemus " you must be born again". Born of the Spirit Jesus said. that is in context to the experience which would happen once one placed their faith in the Resurrected Lord. As Jesus said in John and Paul said in Roman 10:9-10.

Baptism in water does not save you. We are saved by Grace through Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ
Baptism in water is what a saved person does as the first act of obedience of one following Jesus

Baptism in the Holy Spirit as mention in the Gospel of John chapter one is for empowerment to be a witness as Jesus said this would be for. Acts 1:8.
Tongues and speaking in tongues must be kept in context to how it was seen where it was said they spoke in Tougnes. Acts 2

the Gift of Tongues is in context to 1cor 12 to 14 chapters. What you think about is not my concern That is between you and the Lord.

However, baptism in water, the baptism in the Holy Spirit, and the gifts of the Holy Spirit are all contextually different.

if you are teaching you have to speak in tongues or be baptized to be saved YOU are wrong.
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totally agree and further I have NEVER seen you state anything else
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Some people like to use it often.

It is like it gives them power or something, And since so few use it so often, It is just a joke.
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take it up with Robo. he put em there, but probably did not think you would be personally offended by them

I would have plenty to say about the way you are picking fights with half the people here but then I will have your temper
directed at me

I forgave you for the way you harassed me, but that does not mean I approve of the same type of behavior you are exhibiting to several people in this thread

further, you tend to interpret what people say and then you say that is what they said and it is most certainly NOT what they said

you are extremely reactive and defensive and those are not the responses of a mature person...Christian or otherwise

you need to go chill somewhere
 
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The baptism of the Holy Spirit leads to speaking in an unknown prayer language. It is a personal gift of faith, to comfort the believer speaking it in prayer. It's a personal choice whether to seek it, it's not required for salvation but it certainly is comforting in prayer and empowers the believer
 
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CS1 said:
Speaking in tongues does not make you born again, saved, or required for salvation. Those who spoke in tounges in the word of God were saved first.
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Amen! (y)

Baptism in water does not save you. We are saved by Grace through Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ
Baptism in water is what a saved person does as the first act of obedience of one following Jesus
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Amen! (y)

if you are teaching you have to speak in tongues or be baptized to be saved YOU are wrong.
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Amen! AND AGAIN I SAY AMEN! :)
 
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mailmandan said:
Bad analogy. Christ saves us by faith and not by water baptism. You continue to “add” to the finished work of Christ. We have access by faith into grace.. (Romans 5:1-2). Plus, I already received water baptism following my conversion several years ago, so you are late. The call you are hearing is not from the Lord.

Also, in Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins. These Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47 - this is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing Scripture with Scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony* (y)

The Lord is calling you to repent and believe the gospel (and not your watered down gospel).
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Amen! Sir Dan, Acts 2:38 is actually called the inverse parallelism or the chiasmus. In all instances, there have been not used of “repent in the name of Jesus” but it is always been “baptized in the name of Jesus” as seen in these verses, Acts 8:12; 8:16 and in Acts 10:48. It is shown however, that when it comes to repent refers for the remission or forgiveness of sins attested by Acts 5:31;Acts 8:12; Acts 8:16; Acts 10:43,48;Acts 13:38;Acts 3:19.
The sentence is constructed like this:
A Repent
B Be baptized
B In the name of Jesus Christ
A For the remission of sins

In other words, Repent for the remission of sins then be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. This is in conformity with Acts 2:41 that those who received the word with gladness were then baptized and were added unto them (120 disciples).
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
take it up with Robo. he put em there, but probably did not think you would be personally offended by them

I would have plenty to say about the way you are picking fights with half the people here but then I will have your temper
directed at me

I forgave you for the way you harassed me, but that does not mean I approve of the same type of behavior you are exhibiting to several people in this thread

further, you tend to interpret what people say and then you say that is what they said and it is most certainly NOT what they said

you are extremely reactive and defensive and those are not the responses of a mature person...Christian or otherwise

you need to go chill somewhere
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For the last time, they do not offend me. The fact people think it does just makes me laugh harder!!

They actually make me laugh, you can tell when you are getting on someone and THEY are being offended. They go off on tangents of red xing everyone who is trying to show them a different view.

Quite a few of us laugh about it in email. But whatever.

People need to learn some comprehension skills.

And I will stand against false gospels. I have been here for many years. That will never change

I may be passionate about other subjects. And get out of line, but when it. Comes to the gospel of Christ. I will defend it till the end,

If people do not like that, thats their problem.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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CS1 said:
I think it would be important for those who have posted in this thread to understand whether you agree or not.

Speaking in tongues does not make you born again, saved, or required for salvation. Those who spoke in tounges in the word of God were saved first.

Born-again is in context with what Jesus was saying to Nicodemus in the Gospel of John Chapter 3. Jesus said to Nicodemus " you must be born again". Born of the Spirit Jesus said. that is in context to the experience which would happen once one placed their faith in the Resurrected Lord. As Jesus said in John and Paul said in Roman 10:9-10.

Baptism in water does not save you. We are saved by Grace through Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ
Baptism in water is what a saved person does as the first act of obedience of one following Jesus

Baptism in the Holy Spirit as mention in the Gospel of John chapter one is for empowerment to be a witness as Jesus said this would be for. Acts 1:8.
Tongues and speaking in tongues must be kept in context to how it was seen where it was said they spoke in Tougnes. Acts 2

the Gift of Tongues is in context to 1cor 12 to 14 chapters. What you think about is not my concern That is between you and the Lord.

However, baptism in water, the baptism in the Holy Spirit, and the gifts of the Holy Spirit are all contextually different.

if you are teaching you have to speak in tongues or be baptized to be saved YOU are wrong.
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With the exception of the “baptism of the spirit” part. Which I disagree with. I agree with everything here.

 
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Repentandbaptize said:
The baptism of the Holy Spirit leads to speaking in an unknown prayer language. It is a personal gift of faith, to comfort the believer speaking it in prayer. It's a personal choice whether to seek it, it's not required for salvation but it certainly is comforting in prayer and empowers the believer
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The baptism of the spirit is the baptism John the baptist fortold. That Jesus promised. And that paul soeaks of many times, (rom 6, 1 cor 12. titus 3, and Col 2)

It is not some religious thing that causes people to do something

The gift are the end result of the ANOINTING of the spirit (the spirit ciming into us) not the part of the HS baptizing us.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
The baptism of the spirit is the baptism John the baptist fortold. That Jesus promised. And that paul soeaks of many times, (rom 6, 1 cor 12. titus 3, and Col 2)

It is not some religious thing that causes people to do something

The gift are the end result of the ANOINTING of the spirit (the spirit ciming into us) not the part of the HS baptizing us.
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You are my hero
 
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fredoheaven said:
Amen! Sir Dan, Acts 2:38 is actually called the inverse parallelism or the chiasmus. In all instances, there have been not used of “repent in the name of Jesus” but it is always been “baptized in the name of Jesus” as seen in these verses, Acts 8:12; 8:16 and in Acts 10:48. It is shown however, that when it comes to repent refers for the remission or forgiveness of sins attested by Acts 5:31;Acts 8:12; Acts 8:16; Acts 10:43,48;Acts 13:38;Acts 3:19.
The sentence is constructed like this:
A Repent
B Be baptized
B In the name of Jesus Christ
A For the remission of sins

In other words, Repent for the remission of sins then be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. This is in conformity with Acts 2:41 that those who received the word with gladness were then baptized and were added unto them (120 disciples).
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Ok Judge and Executioner, thanks for qualifying my opinion. I guess the Baptism I received as a baby means I can't be baptized as an adult when I make
my own decision to be baptized. So shut your pie hole.
And I guess the Baptism I received when I was in the Mormon church and the Catholic Church and the Jehovah's church
Mean I can't get baptized in a trinitarian church, again shut your pie hole. And I gues the Baptism I received at 16 beforehand I discovered alcohol and drugs drugs and fornication and fell away from the faith for 30 years mean I'm going to be arrested if I want to be rebaptized, again shut your big fat pie hole
 
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fredoheaven said:
Amen! Sir Dan, Acts 2:38 is actually called the inverse parallelism or the chiasmus. In all instances, there have been not used of “repent in the name of Jesus” but it is always been “baptized in the name of Jesus” as seen in these verses, Acts 8:12; 8:16 and in Acts 10:48. It is shown however, that when it comes to repent refers for the remission or forgiveness of sins attested by Acts 5:31;Acts 8:12; Acts 8:16; Acts 10:43,48;Acts 13:38;Acts 3:19.
The sentence is constructed like this:
A Repent
B Be baptized
B In the name of Jesus Christ
A For the remission of sins

In other words, Repent for the remission of sins then be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. This is in conformity with Acts 2:41 that those who received the word with gladness were then baptized and were added unto them (120 disciples).
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Another jackass
 
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CS1 said:
please refrain from that kind of name calling thank you
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Really, I've only been on here for 3 days, and I'm already disgusted by the opposition from losers who tell me I can't Repent and rebaptize myself. Anyone that's against me rebaptizing myself can go to hell
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
For the last time, they do not offend me. The fact people think it does just makes me laugh harder!!

They actually make me laugh, you can tell when you are getting on someone and THEY are being offended. They go off on tangents of red xing everyone who is trying to show them a different view.

Quite a few of us laugh about it in email. But whatever.

People need to learn some comprehension skills.

And I will stand against false gospels. I have been here for many years. That will never change

I may be passionate about other subjects. And get out of line, but when it. Comes to the gospel of Christ. I will defend it till the end,

If people do not like that, thats their problem.
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quite a few laugh about it in pm or emails?

well

God sees it all

and He doesn't laugh

you above anyone here need to learn comprehension skills

it's not long ago you had a rather uncomfortable discourse with dconn

you blew up his thread.

you refuse to see what you do and I will leave you to it

but you have been told by more than one person
 
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