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You cannot make the God of Christianity a different God then the ones that some Jews seek after. The veil is rent .The reformation has come.

If you fail to recognize the time of reformation .Then it figures why you have two gods fighting against each other or it seems.
Amen! Besides this important truth, I will add...Romans 3:29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too,

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In order to pray the kind of prayer you claim to pray, you have to know the Israelites are. Because keep in mind Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9. You have to be careful or you might be praying for the Synagogue of Satan and you don't want to be doing that.
In order to pray the kind of prayer you claim to pray you have to pray to God, to know who God is. .Which has nothing to do with the flesh of a Israelites. We are not concerned with the flesh of Israelites or any nation. We pray the one manner.. our father in heaven hallowed be the name. God is not a man as us and neither is there any infallible fleshly umpire (daysman) to stand between God and man and call balls and strikes. .

And yes there were Jews outwardly according to the flesh that did pray to the Synagogue of Satan and you don't want to be doing that.

There is no DNA tset that will determine of person has the born again Spirit of Christ or not. the Holy Spirit simply saw into their hearts and found no faith by which they could please him

Revelation 2:9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Usually from my experiences when studying to seek the approval of the voice of God when he gives instructions like below .He intends that we use them when dividing the truth of God. It would seem you are dividing truth from His truth and selling another gospel

Romans 2:28-29 King James Version (KJV) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 
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That was Jesus's desire, Paul's desire. All the Israelites desire. The Israelites pray for these things daily. You can hear it in their prayers. These are not the kinds of prayers you hear in the Christian Churches however. What God is the Christian Church praying to? The Israelites prayed to God of Israel. Jesus prayed to and glorified God of Israel with the multitudes of other Israelites in Judea

So now you're saying Christians aren't praying to the God of Israel?! How do people get so far out in left field? Who do you think Christians are praying to?
 
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Are you praying to the same God that Jesus and Paul prayed to? If you are, are you praying the same prayer? Are you praying for The Restoration of the Nation of True Israel? The whole bible is about this.

Yes,praying to the exact same God. And the true Israel is beginning to be restored just the Bible said. A nation born in a day, Israel in 1948. The desert is blooming again.
 
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In order to pray the kind of prayer you claim to pray, you have to know the Israelites are. Because keep in mind Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9. You have to be careful or you might be praying for the Synagogue of Satan and you don't want to be doing that.

Wow, I've never seen so much anti-Jew hatred on this site since I've been here. smh Wondering what mods think of this. smh
 
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So now you're saying Christians aren't praying to the God of Israel?! How do people get so far out in left field? Who do you think Christians are praying to?
I think he answered that earlier #81

amikamisrael said:
I tell you the truth: Paul himself was a Hebrew Israelite. So am I. For as it is written in 2 Corinthians 11:22

We are not black
 
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You cannot make the God of Christianity a different God then the ones that some Jews seek after. The veil is rent .The reformation has come.

If you fail to recognize the time of reformation .Then it figures why you have two gods fighting against each other or it seems.

The God of Christianity IS the "other" God that has been CREATED. That's why you claim that I speak of two Gods. Because am I speaking of another God? God Forbid. There is no such God of Christianity in the Bible. You claim I speak of another God because most Christians have never heard of such a thing. Most Christian churches would never preach concerning such a God let alone quote a scripture concerning a God of Israel. It seems foreign to Christians because you don't know God of Israel. You've been praying to God of Christianity aka God of All Nations. But the God of Israel is the God of only one nation. See Amos 3:1-2. "Oh ... Children of Israel ... You only have I known of all the families on the earth..." Christian churches do not glorify God of Israel. Christianity glorifies a different god. A supposed God of Everybody. But here is the real truth:

2 Esdras 6:54-56
[54] And after these, Adam also, whom thou madest lord of all thy creatures: of him come we all, and the people also whom thou hast chosen
We all come from Adam including the people whom God has chosen (ISRAELITES)

[55] All this have I spoken before thee, O Lord, because thou madest the world for our sakes
The Lord made the world for Israel. That's what OUR means.
[56] As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel
As for the rest of the nations who are not Israel, God hath said that they are NOTHING.
 
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Wow, I've never seen so much anti-Jew hatred on this site since I've been here. smh Wondering what mods think of this. smh
Those that "say they are Jews and are not" according to Revelation 2:9&3:9 are not Jews. Therefore any claim of anti-Jew hatred is false. It cannot be "anti-Jew" hatred if the party themselves are not Jews. You must be thinking of JeWISH people. As in ye wish ye were Jews but are not. But heed not to Jewish Fables as Titus 1:14 says

Titus 1:14
Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
 
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Yes,praying to the exact same God. And the true Israel is beginning to be restored just the Bible said. A nation born in a day, Israel in 1948. The desert is blooming again.
Scriptures say God will restore Israel. United Nations is not God. United Nations are the descendants of Psalms 83:5

Psalms 83:2-6,12
[2]For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
[3]They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
[4]They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
[5]For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
[6]The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
[12]Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.
Guess who represents the "Tabernacles of Edom"

1948 Israel is not true Israel. True Israel are the people whose identity as Israel is no more in remembrance because the Tabernacles of Edom and the Ishmaelites and so on have refused to acknowledge true Israel.
 

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Must be so difficult to quote scriptures such as

Joshua 7:19


which show Joshua praying to God of Israel and David doing the same:

2 Samuel 7:27


And Solomon:

1 Kings 8:26


And Jesus with the multitude praying and glorifying God of Israel:

Matthew 15:31


Is this what ye and the Christian Church are doing?
Those that "say they are Jews and are not" according to Revelation 2:9&3:9 are not Jews. Therefore any claim of anti-Jew hatred is false. It cannot be "anti-Jew" hatred if the party themselves are not Jews. You must be thinking of JeWISH people. As in ye wish ye were Jews but are not. But heed not to Jewish Fables as Titus 1:14 says

Titus 1:14
this attitude you have is exactly why God repeatedly exiled this group you say you are part of, and eventually destroyed the temple. Humility seems foreign to you yet that is a demand of God.

2I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you; and all the families of the earth will be blessed through you.”
 
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this attitude you have is exactly why God repeatedly exiled this group you say you are part of, and eventually destroyed the temple. Humility seems foreign to you yet that is a demand of God.
God Forbid. I'm humbly interpreting what the scriptures are actually saying. Something Tabernacles of Edom aka Christianity know nothing about.
 
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Those that "say they are Jews and are not" according to Revelation 2:9&3:9 are not Jews. Therefore any claim of anti-Jew hatred is false. It cannot be "anti-Jew" hatred if the party themselves are not Jews. You must be thinking of JeWISH people. As in ye wish ye were Jews but are not. But heed not to Jewish Fables as Titus 1:14 says

Titus 1:14
Revelation 2:9 Commentaries

Barnes Notes on the Bible,

"Of them which say they are Jews - Who profess to be Jews. The idea seems to be that though they were of Jewish extraction, and professed to be Jews, they were not true Jews; they indulged in a bitterness of reproach, and a severity of language, which showed that they had not the spirit of the Jewish religion"

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary,

"say they are Jews, and are not—Jews by national descent, but not spiritually of "the true circumcision."

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges,

which say they are jews] No doubt the persons meant are real Jews by birth as well as by profession, but are denied to be worthy of the name.

Vincent's Word Studies,

Jews

Literally. Not Christians, as in Philippians 3:3; Romans 2:28, Romans 2:29. Actually Jews by birth, but not spiritually. The title is not given them by the Spirit, nor by the seer, but by themselves; and none would use that title except such as were Jews by birth and by religion.
 
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Revelation 2:9 Commentaries

Barnes Notes on the Bible,

"Of them which say they are Jews - Who profess to be Jews. The idea seems to be that though they were of Jewish extraction, and professed to be Jews, they were not true Jews; they indulged in a bitterness of reproach, and a severity of language, which showed that they had not the spirit of the Jewish religion"

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary,

"say they are Jews, and are not—Jews by national descent, but not spiritually of "the true circumcision."

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges,

which say they are jews] No doubt the persons meant are real Jews by birth as well as by profession, but are denied to be worthy of the name.

Vincent's Word Studies,

Jews

Literally. Not Christians, as in Philippians 3:3; Romans 2:28, Romans 2:29. Actually Jews by birth, but not spiritually. The title is not given them by the Spirit, nor by the seer, but by themselves; and none would use that title except such as were Jews by birth and by religion.
Those commentaries all come from the Tabernacles of Edom.
 
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So now you're saying Christians aren't praying to the God of Israel?! How do people get so far out in left field? Who do you think Christians are praying to?
I asked what God Christians are praying to, and rather than answer the question, you question me. YOU'RE the Christian. YOU Answer it. For certain, there is a difference between Christian and Israelite. There's so similarity. Israelites represent that nation of Israel. The God of the Israelites is the God of Israel. Christianity comes from another nation which is not Israel. Christianity is not the origin of Israel. My nationality is Israel. Christians cannot say that their nationality is Israel because it isn't. This is why the Gods are not the same. I think you THOUGHT they were.
 

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I asked what God Christians are praying to, and rather than answer the question, you question me. YOU'RE the Christian. YOU Answer it. For certain, there is a difference between Christian and Israelite. There's so similarity. Israelites represent that nation of Israel. The God of the Israelites is the God of Israel. Christianity comes from another nation which is not Israel. Christianity is not the origin of Israel. My nationality is Israel. Christians cannot say that their nationality is Israel because it isn't. This is why the Gods are not the same. I think you THOUGHT they were.
11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
 
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Amen! Besides this important truth, I will add...Romans 3:29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too,

Have to get ready for worship now.
The Jews are Judah which is ONE of the twelve tribes of Israel along with Benjamin and Levi. The Gentiles are the other lost, scattered tribes. The confusion of Christianity is that "Gentiles are other nations besides Israel." This is the lie that keeps Christianity going.
 
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11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Who are the Jews and who are the Greeks? Is Paul speaking to all nations? Why is it just Jew and Greek if he's speaking to all nations? Because clearly it's not "all nations". The Jews are Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and the Greeks are those of Israel in the captivity of Greek and Rome. Christianity confuses "Jew and Greek" as all nations. No distinction between Jew and Greek just means that those of Israel are under the same God. All nations does not and will never apply in this context. You think because he says everyone he means all nations, except he was never speaking to all nations to begin with. Read about what Christianity represents in Psalms 83:6
 

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Who are the Jews and who are the Greeks? Is Paul speaking to all nations? Why is it just Jew and Greek if he's speaking to all nations? Because clearly it's not "all nations". The Jews are Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and the Greeks are those of Israel in the captivity of Greek and Rome. Christianity confuses "Jew and Greek" as all nations. No distinction between Jew and Greek just means that those of Israel are under the same God. All nations does not and will never apply in this context. Read about what Christianity represents in Psalms 83:6
Who are the Jews and who are the Greeks? Is Paul speaking to all nations? Why is it just Jew and Greek if he's speaking to all nations? Because clearly it's not "all nations". The Jews are Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and the Greeks are those of Israel in the captivity of Greek and Rome. Christianity confuses "Jew and Greek" as all nations. No distinction between Jew and Greek just means that those of Israel are under the same God. All nations does not and will never apply in this context. You think because he says everyone he means all nations, except he was never speaking to all nations to begin with. Read about what Christianity represents in Psalms 83:6
So why does a Jew like you come to a Christian site? To be as the arrogant Jew of old that says everyone must “become” a Jew?