The benefits of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit

I guess I should just go on and go to hell because even though I believe in my heart and have and do confess with my mouth sometime even hourly and have been baptized with water in the name of Jesus, I have never spoken in tongues. And that the previously mentioned scripture about believing and confessing in my case is not true. So why should I continue to pray and study and read and share the gospel and love God who must have rejected me.

That's EXACTLY how I feel about many of charlatan, steal from the gullible poor, charasmatic guys.

But just to be clear, do YOU also think the guys on that clip are charlatans?

That’s how I feel about many charlatans who teach OSAS, who deceive Gods people.

JPT

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? James 2:21-22

• Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son

Abraham received faith when God spoke to him to offer his son.

Abraham’s faith was activated when he obeyed God to offer his son Isaac on the altar, in which it produced the divine result of
justification.

Those who obey the Gospel are saved.

Those who continue to obey His commandments continue to be saved.

Those who do not obey Hs doctrine no longer have Christ.

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” Romans 10:16

Can I please ask you something in peace...

I have seen enough of Benny Hinn to not want to ever watch him again...

He swings his white jacket in the air , and everyone falls on top of each other , am sure many get hurt , is that the way the Holy Spirit acts...

His nephew has left his uncle because he could no longer carry on deceiving people , he has his testimony where he reveals a lot of what goes on behind the scenes...

He does scam people , he is a fraud...

His ways are the same as the likes of Kenneth Copeland and others that I could mention...

I find them eerie , but like I said , my spirit cannot abide their performance , it is uncomfortable to watch them...xox...

Pot calling the kettle black. You teach salvation by works then have the audacity to condemn OSAS believers.

This good man of God is going to have a great star studded crown with all the salvations recorded in heaven from his meetings now all over the world. Close to Billy Graham if not more.

And you will be repentant of these words against him.

Laughter-joy is a fruit of being full of Holy Spirit. Heaven is full of joy. It's emotional healing for many of depression.

I know you don't understand PE, but your words go beyond this. You've picked up a wrong spirit.

But you shall receive power, after the Holy Spirit has come upon you: and you shall be witnesses unto Me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 1:8

What are the benefits of the infilling of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

When in reality both osas and shipwrecked believers are facts.
Hell will be littered with those departing the faith.
It is similar to the election/choice debate.
We are both chosen and choose.
2 sides debating with both sides being right

Hell will be littered with "nominal" Christians who thought they were saved, but were deceived. (Matthew 7:22-23) In 1 Timothy 1:19, we read - having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck. *Notice that we don't see the specific words, "lost salvation" in the context of 1 Timothy 1:19. Now "on the surface" this verse may "appear" to teach a loss of salvation, but I'm looking for "definitive" terms. Also, in 1 Timothy 1:20, we read - Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan, so that they will be taught not to blaspheme. Where have we heard that before?

In 1 Corinthians 5:1-5, we read about a man who has committed sexual immorality by having his father's wife (does that sound like shipwrecked faith? Was it permanent?), yet verse 5 says deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. If Hymenaeus and Alexander were truly saved, then how do we know the outcome was not the same for them as it was the adulterer in 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 who later repented in 2 Corinthians chapter 2? Nothing is specifically mentioned about him "losing his salvation" either.

In regards to "departing from the faith," in 1 Timothy 4:1, we read - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods (where have we heard this before?) which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

Some may presume that "depart from the faith" means that born again believers depart from saving faith in Christ and lose their salvation. The words "the faith" (Greek tês pisteôs) in this context means the apostolic faith, the New Testament apostolic body of doctrines. Some who are in a state of professing adherence to the apostolic faith, nevertheless will in both doctrine and practice depart from it, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons. I've seen this happen multiple times.

Some "nominal" Christians will abandon the Christian faith, the New Testament apostolic body of doctrines for cults or false religions, like Roman Catholicism for example. That does not prove such people were previously born again. In 1 John 2:19, we read - They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

I believe the beginning of such a major departing from the apostolic faith was evidenced as the Roman Catholic church began to come into existence in the early 4th century. The Roman Catholic church forbids it's clergy to marry. This same church has other demonic doctrines such as transubstantiation, purgatory, indulgences, papal infallibility, worship of Mary etc..

OSAS gives nominal carnal hidden sin habitual sin advocare great hope and comfort.

The other side of the coin would be, once saved walk close to Jesus and walk in holiness denouncing and despising sin, devorcing this would and abandonimg all to him, lest your name be blotted out of the lambs book of life.

You left off that verseb" and having tasted of the good things from heaven and departed,....so the last state is worse than the first." Or something to that effect.

It is circular (osas) reasoning.
If someone does depart from the faith, osas simply pulls the circular card "well hey, that ole boy never was saved"

But my version of osas is from "back to front", in that once we arrive in heaven, all those there were once saved and always will be saved (osas)

But i would not count on what baptists preach in osas.
Some are using it to live like hell. Perpetual false hope.
Incubated by the osas card.
Better to warn them of the horrors of sin.

What is Baptism? The word means THIS:
Strong's Concordance
baptisma: (the result of) a dipping or sinking
Original Word: βάπτισμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: baptisma
Phonetic Spelling: (bap'-tis-mah)
Definition: (the result of) a dipping or sinking
Usage: the rite or ceremony of baptism.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 908 báptisma – baptism (note the -ma suffix, emphasizing it is a result, i.e. of sincere repentance.) 908 (báptisma) indicates submerging(dipping, immersion).

Now let's read what John the Baptist says about Baptism:

Matthew 3:
4 Now John himself was clothed in camel’s hair, with a leather belt around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey. 5 Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him 6 and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, 9 and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. 10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

So JESUS is going to Baptize SOME with the Holy Spirit, but OTHERS, like THE BROOD OF VIPERS, He is going to Baptize with FIRE. Right after John says that, he talks about the chaff burning in unquenchable fire. If some are submerged in water and with the Holy Spirit, doesn't it make sense that John is saying some are going to be baptized, or submerged, in the lake of fire? Especially when you consider who John is addressing? READ IT AGAIN!

So I can see a response like "What about what happened at Pentecost?" Well, let's read it:

Acts 2 New King James Version (NKJV)
Coming of the Holy Spirit
2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

It says the Holy Spirit filled them. The FIRE sat upon, NOT IN THEM.


I am still not totally sure, but by examining Scripture closely, it appears you DON'T want to be baptized with fire!

Yep. That passage is talking about His Word. It has nothing to do with being baptized, or submerged, into fire. And I think the Word DOES burn in our hearts. Still a different kettle of fish than what John the Baptist is talking about.

I can look up a hundred verses about burning or fire, but that doesn't mean they have any connection whatever with baptism into fire.

Into fire? With!

The power to minister! No 5 point sermon needed. The fire is the Anointed Word!

Fire purifies but fire also can destroy.

This good man of God is going to have a great star studded crown with all the salvations recorded in heaven from his meetings now all over the world. Close to Billy Graham if not more.

And you will be repentant of these words against him.

Laughter-joy is a fruit of being full of Holy Spirit. Heaven is full of joy. It's emotional healing for many of depression.

I know you don't understand PE, but your words go beyond this. You've picked up a wrong spirit.

When trying to understand the baptism of Fire - focus on God's Love. How God is a consuming fire.....

His Love has a destroying side that consumes our enemies and a protective gentle side that overwhelms us with unconditional love.....

Okay, just want to say I have experience this incredible laughter erupting from the belly..... "Out of your belly shall flow rivers of water....." This is why my cc name is "Lafftur"

I also understand how it can scare people.......

I was visiting a new church, the pastor was walking back and forth down front while preaching from the Bible. Little giggles started coming from the right side of the congregation and I thought kids were playing and were probably going to get in trouble in front of everybody.

They got louder and louder, I started praying for them that when they get kicked out of church they would not lose heart and think Yeshua/Jesus kicked them out. The pastor walked right up to them, looked at them, then turned and walked back, still preaching. Then, I thought to myself, "oh, they didn't get in trouble. Then, they're suppose to be laughing...... there must be some kind of a joke and I'm new so I didn't get the punchline."

Two rows behind me, a burst of laughter erupts, I quickly turn and look into the eyes of the elderly woman laughing.............. I quickly turned back around facing the front and said to myself, "wait a minute, is this that Holy Spirit laughter that I've heard about......."

Suddenly, erupting from deep in my belly came a loud burst of laughter! Immediately, both of my hands covered my mouth to make myself stop laughing. As soon as my hands covered my mouth, I began to weep and sob, tears just gushing and streaming down my face. So, I took my hands off my mouth and busted out into laughing again!

The pastor walked over to me, stopped, looked right at me and said, "He got you, too. Didn't He?"

Oh, it was wonderful!!! We all know that sometimes we just need a good cry or a good laugh to feel better. Crying and laughing heals our emotions and does our body good. The Holy Spirit was healing me. Life can beat us up at times, we need to feel, know and experience God's love in a special way - just a revitalizing, renewing, refreshing, cleansing way. Absolutely wonderful!

@Absolutely - you are correct when you say that evil spirits and demons start manifesting when the Holy Spirit starts manifesting in and on people in the congregation. Darkness cannot stay when the Light comes to occupy in the physical realm.

All of us are spiritual houses...... we will be occupied by "some thing." I choose God - the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to dwell with me in my house - my body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Oh, and we do love to laugh a lot together!

Hell will be littered with "nominal" Christians who thought they were saved, but were deceived. (Matthew 7:22-23) In 1 Timothy 1:19, we read - having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck. *Notice that we don't see the specific words, "lost salvation" in the context of 1 Timothy 1:19. Now "on the surface" this verse may "appear" to teach a loss of salvation, but I'm looking for "definitive" terms. Also, in 1 Timothy 1:20, we read - Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan, so that they will be taught not to blaspheme. Where have we heard that before?

In 1 Corinthians 5:1-5, we read about a man who has committed sexual immorality by having his father's wife (does that sound like shipwrecked faith? Was it permanent?), yet verse 5 says deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. If Hymenaeus and Alexander were truly saved, then how do we know the outcome was not the same for them as it was the adulterer in 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 who later repented in 2 Corinthians chapter 2? Nothing is specifically mentioned about him "losing his salvation" either.

In regards to "departing from the faith," in 1 Timothy 4:1, we read - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods (where have we heard this before?) which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

Some may presume that "depart from the faith" means that born again believers depart from saving faith in Christ and lose their salvation. The words "the faith" (Greek tês pisteôs) in this context means the apostolic faith, the New Testament apostolic body of doctrines. Some who are in a state of professing adherence to the apostolic faith, nevertheless will in both doctrine and practice depart from it, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons. I've seen this happen multiple times.

Some "nominal" Christians will abandon the Christian faith, the New Testament apostolic body of doctrines for cults or false religions, like Roman Catholicism for example. That does not prove such people were previously born again. In 1 John 2:19, we read - They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

I believe the beginning of such a major departing from the apostolic faith was evidenced as the Roman Catholic church began to come into existence in the early 4th century. The Roman Catholic church forbids it's clergy to marry. This same church has other demonic doctrines such as transubstantiation, purgatory, indulgences, papal infallibility, worship of Mary etc..

I don't give willful, habitual sin with no goal or effort to change such a lifestyle great hope or comfort. (Galatians 5:19-21; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11; 1 John 3:7-10)

1 John 3:7 - Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. John gives a clear descriptive difference between children of God and children of the devil.

In Revelation 3:5, we read - "He who overcomes I will never blot out his name from the book of life." The "overcomer" mentioned in this letter to Sardis is the Believer/Christian. Compare this with 1 John 5:4: "Everyone who is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.

Are you talking about 2 Peter 2:20?

1 John 2:19. What is the reason why they did not continue?

My version of OSAS is "preservation of the saints." (Psalm 37:28; Jude 1:1)

I have attend Baptist churches in the past and I never once heard a Baptist preacher promote live like hell/live like the devil etc.. and you will be saved anyway. I have heard them say that type of continued behavior demonstrates such a person is not born of God.

Okay, just want to say I have experience this incredible laughter erupting from the belly..... "Out of your belly shall flow rivers of water....." This is why my cc name is "Lafftur"

I also understand how it can scare people.......

I was visiting a new church, the pastor was walking back and forth down front while preaching from the Bible. Little giggles started coming from the right side of the congregation and I thought kids were playing and were probably going to get in trouble in front of everybody.

They got louder and louder, I started praying for them that when they get kicked out of church they would not lose heart and think Yeshua/Jesus kicked them out. The pastor walked right up to them, looked at them, then turned and walked back, still preaching. Then, I thought to myself, "oh, they didn't get in trouble. Then, they're suppose to be laughing...... there must be some kind of a joke and I'm new so I didn't get the punchline."

Two rows behind me, a burst of laughter erupts, I quickly turn and look into the eyes of the elderly woman laughing.............. I quickly turned back around facing the front and said to myself, "wait a minute, is this that Holy Spirit laughter that I've heard about......."

Suddenly, erupting from deep in my belly came a loud burst of laughter! Immediately, both of my hands covered my mouth to make myself stop laughing. As soon as my hands covered my mouth, I began to weep and sob, tears just gushing and streaming down my face. So, I took my hands off my mouth and busted out into laughing again!

The pastor walked over to me, stopped, looked right at me and said, "He got you, too. Didn't He?"

Oh, it was wonderful!!! We all know that sometimes we just need a good cry or a good laugh to feel better. Crying and laughing heals our emotions and does our body good. The Holy Spirit was healing me. Life can beat us up at times, we need to feel, know and experience God's love in a special way - just a revitalizing, renewing, refreshing, cleansing way. Absolutely wonderful!

@Absolutely - you are correct when you say that evil spirits and demons start manifesting when the Holy Spirit starts manifesting in and on people in the congregation. Darkness cannot stay when the Light comes to occupy in the physical realm.

All of us are spiritual houses...... we will be occupied by "some thing." I choose God - the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to dwell with me in my house - my body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Oh, and we do love to laugh a lot together!