Not By Works

I personally find it hard to address FHS because there is a notion that he is a banned member twice...
I have asked him out right if he is originally PeterJens , but have had no answer , just diversion...

If someone was accusing you to be someone that you are not , would you not exclaim it from the rooftops that you are not this banned member that we accuse him to be...

For that reason I cannot take what he says seriously , because all that comes into my mind is banned twice PeterJens , which would make him a deceiver , no matter what he says...

It would be wonderful if he just claimed he is or is not , only God knows...xox...

The Bible says, those who sin all they want are not saved. I know that this may sounds viciously condemning, but still, we can still try to help them out, help them toward the right direction, help them wean from sin.

Faith in what is unseen is difficult, and that is also why I would also encourage others to read my testimony

And also, for those who have abstained from sin for a relatively long time, stay abstained, keep the desire sufficiently mortified

Else, if deciding to sin even once, the desire to sin again will come alive and you will regret ruining the progress of purity (if you see it as a progress)

But still, once saved is always saved, for the same reason that once you hate sin, you will always hate sin

Or, am I wrong about "once you hate sin, you will always hate sin"?

The Bible says, those who sin all they want are not saved. I know that this may sounds viciously condemning, but still, we can still try to help them out, help them toward the right direction, help them wean from sin.

Faith in what is unseen is difficult, and that is also why I would also encourage others to read my testimony

And also, for those who have abstained from sin for a relatively long time, stay abstained, keep the desire sufficiently mortified

Else, if deciding to sin even once, the desire to sin again will come alive and you will regret ruining the progress of purity (if you see it as a progress)

But still, once saved is always saved, for the same reason that once you hate sin, you will always hate sin

Or, am I wrong about "once you hate sin, you will always hate sin"?

I would add sinning and unbelief, and still be saved. Jesus prayed that Peter would not lose faith
when he denied Jesus, so keeping faith is everything.

The Bible says, those who sin all they want are not saved. I know that this may sounds viciously condemning, but still, we can still try to help them out, help them toward the right direction, help them wean from sin.

Faith in what is unseen is difficult, and that is also why I would also encourage others to read my testimony

And also, for those who have abstained from sin for a relatively long time, stay abstained, keep the desire sufficiently mortified

Else, if deciding to sin even once, the desire to sin again will come alive and you will regret ruining the progress of purity (if you see it as a progress)

But still, once saved is always saved, for the same reason that once you hate sin, you will always hate sin

Or, am I wrong about "once you hate sin, you will always hate sin"?

I have asked this of others (with no response) but I will ask you nonetheless.

Who on here teaches that we can sin all we want and still be saved?
I noticed FHS gave you a winner, so maybe he can respond as well.

Who on this thread teaches/preaches that we can sin all we want and still be saved?

I find it interesting that unregenerated people who want/desire sin are typically socio-paths or people with damaged psyche/soul, so all of sudden now, believers who are regenerated become socio-paths wanting to sin??

Scripture is clear the believer is justified, this is a judicial decree by God

If people want/pursue sin after being justified I would remind them who they are in Christ because obviously they need better instruction

I know you ascribe being regenerated as a "behaviour modification program" I do not

I think the better question is how will God deal with a regenerated person who persists in sin, I think scripture can tell us much about this

I find it a very sad statement (not stating you made this statement) when people state "oh they were never saved to begin with" based on someone's outward performance....very sad indeed!!

I have asked this of others (with no response) but I will ask you nonetheless.

Who on here teaches that we can sin all we want and still be saved?
I noticed FHS gave you a winner, so maybe he can respond as well.

Who on this thread teaches/preaches that we can sin all we want and still be saved?

He is talking about @Budman as they have been going after it for a few days now.....watch him take my post above and say that I said it.....

Ummmmm.....My bible states that those who sin all they want after being saved are whipped, lose reward and maybe even forfeit physical life............but their salvation is secure because it it the SPIRIT that has been born again of INCORRUPTIBLE SEED

Corinthian fornicator comes to mind....he was even bragging about it

I find it interesting that unregenerated people who want/desire sin are typically socio-paths or people with damaged psyche/soul, so all of sudden now, believers who are regenerated become socio-paths wanting to sin??

Scripture is clear the believer is justified, this is a judicial decree by God

If people want/pursue sin after being justified I would remind them who they are in Christ because obviously they need better instruction

I know you ascribe being regenerated as a "behaviour modification program" I do not

I think the better question is how will God deal with a regenerated person who persists in sin, I think scripture can tell us much about this

I find it a very sad statement (not stating you made this statement) when people state "oh they were never saved to begin with" based on someone's outward performance....very sad indeed!!

I get fed up with people accusing fellow brothers/sisters on here teaching that we can sin all we want and still be saved.
They obviously mean sinning without regard.

So to such people who accuse either put up or shut up.
If anyone here does teach such a thing then they need to be bought to task.

Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone or throw it the floor.

Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone or throw it the floor.

I never ascribed regeneration as a behavioral modification program. I would say a heart change is a better way of putting it. And heart change does modify one's walk.

Regeneration produces heart change

heart change produces life change

and it is not the outward actions that is the issue. It is all about heart issues. But often, our actions and



Budman said it and DC and others defended it. Scroll up a little bit. It has been discussed today and yesterday

I feel self righteousness for saying all this, I think we need to clarify what self righteousness is, vs standing up for truth

I never ascribed regeneration as a behavioral modification program. I would say a heart change is a better way of putting it. And heart change does modify one's walk.

Regeneration produces heart change

heart change produces life change

and it is not the outward actions that is the issue. It is all about heart issues. But often, our actions and



Budman said it and DC and others defended it. Scroll up a little bit. It has been discussed today and yesterday

I have read the posts over the last few days.

Where have either said "We can sin all we want and still be saved?
Paul addressed this in Romans. I'm sure my brother's have read it and agree with it.

There is a difference between grace outbounding our sin and using grace as a license to sin.

Have either said this?

I have read the posts over the last few days.

Where have either said "We can sin all we want and still be saved?
Paul addressed this in Romans. I'm sure my brother's have read it and agree with it.

There is a difference between grace outbounding our sin and using grace as a license to sin.

Have either said this?

Self Righteousness is taking the imputed righteousness of Christ that comes from above, and believing that you can create it from within.

Self Righteousness is taking the imputed righteousness of Christ that comes from above, and believing that you can create it from within.