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BillG said:
So God remained faithful to them and himself?
He seeks out those who placed a genuine faith in him and made Jesus their saviour?
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It is all about us and our relationship with God.

Judas is an example of an apostate.
 
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BillG said:
What makes Judas an apostate?
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Judas qualifies.

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, (Hebrews 6:4-6)
 
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PS said:
Judas qualifies.

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, (Hebrews 6:4-6)
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So he made Jesus saviour unto salvation and Lord?

Jesus said that he must go back to the Father so that the Holy Spirit must come to convict the world of its sin, that sin being unbelief in him.

What's your thoughts concerning the Greek word in Hebrews to fall away

It's not "apostasia" which we find in (bolded)

Acts 21:21
21 but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

Yet in Hebrews it's

parapiptō

I can't quiet understand the difference as to why the Greek is different.
I'm not great a Greek.

Ps , I'm not going at you or looking to make you look foolish.
I only have to look at myself in the mirror to see how foolish I am.
I look at myself but enjoy discussing with others (although at times when I look at myself in the mirror I talk to myself, normally negatively)
 
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BillG said:
So he made Jesus saviour unto salvation and Lord?

Jesus said that he must go back to the Father so that the Holy Spirit must come to convict the world of its sin, that sin being unbelief in him.

What's your thoughts concerning the Greek word in Hebrews to fall away

It's not "apostasia" which we find in (bolded)

Acts 21:21
21 but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

Yet in Hebrews it's

parapiptō

I can't quiet understand the difference as to why the Greek is different.
I'm not great a Greek.
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now that you mentioned that i need to know whats the difference between these greek words.
 
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Magenta said:
That is a false accusation.
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Here is what you said.

Hypocrites like to pretend they do not sin, that it is only others who sin. They push this delusion of their perfection onto others until they are forced against the wall and into a corner when they have to admit, OOPS, yes, they actually do still sin. Budman exposes such hypocrites, and turns their rhetoric against them. Has he per chance done this to you?

has he pushed me against the wall until I have to admit I am not sinless? No, why would you think that when I have repeatedly and continuosly affirmed that I am not sinless.

I never said I was sinless.

And no, I did not miss the point. Because Bud had no point.
 
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BillG said:
So he made Jesus saviour unto salvation and Lord?

Jesus said that he must go back to the Father so that the Holy Spirit must come to convict the world of its sin, that sin being unbelief in him.

What's your thoughts concerning the Greek word in Hebrews to fall away

It's not "apostasia" which we find in (bolded)

Acts 21:21
21 but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

Yet in Hebrews it's

parapiptō

I can't quiet understand the difference as to why the Greek is different.
I'm not great a Greek.

Ps , I'm not going at you or looking to make you look foolish.
I only have to look at myself in the mirror to see how foolish I am.
I look at myself but enjoy discussing with others (although at times when I look at myself in the mirror I talk to myself, normally negatively)
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We do not need Greek or Hebrew. I have noticed that those who do, fit the description of those people described in Revelation 22:19. "And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."

The English is plain for all to understand.

Romans 11:20-22 - But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

Hebrews 6:4-6 - It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Hebrews 10:26-31 - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God

2 Peter 2:20-22 - If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

2 Peter 3:17 - Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
 
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Here is more evidence that Argueless did not say what you claim he said...

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    Is asking for your stance on an issue an accusation? It is you who owe me an apology for this slander and deceitful provocations and accusations.

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    So what is your stance about lying to the Holy Spirit? Edify the body of Christ and stop grumbling and man up. ...For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power. 1 Corinthians 4:20
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    All can see your way of suppressing the TRUTH. Show me where i accused you of lying to the Holy Spirit and I will SHAMEFULLY go away. IS asking for your stance on the issue an accusation?
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    So what is your stance Mr. IDEA or is it Mr. RIGHT or whatever, about LYING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT? Is it the same as Budman's stance on the matter? Pls share us your amazing and irrefutable ideas for our information.
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    Your defense tactic is getting old. I was not banned and I'm not a Catholic and I have said this before. If you cannot answer an honest question, do not resort to "ad hominem. It's a sign of weakness and cowardice. ...But the COWARDLY, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually...
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    ...TEACHING THEM TO OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU...Matthew 28:18-20 Who are CLAIMING that they who BELIEVE in Christ and are SAVED, are theones who truly OBEY? Why do they attack those who OBEY Christ's command to teach OBEDIENCE to his commands instead of teaching OBEDIENCE to His...
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    It is IMPOSSIBLE for those who have ONCE been ENLIGHTENED, who have tasted THE HEAVENLY GIFT, who have SHARED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, who have tasted the GOODNESS OF THE WORD of God and the POWERS of the coming age, IF THEY FALL AWAY, to be brought back to REPENTANCE, because to their loss they are...
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    And you cannot give your stance about lying to the Holy Spirit because it will prove your doctrine as FALSE and DECEPTIVE.
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    So, Is LYING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, sowing to please the Spirit? I mean, do you please THE SPIRIT by lying to Him? ...LET GOD BE TRUE... ...GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED...
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    I can only discern the spirit through the spirit and not through the OSAS lens which CLAIMS to have a FAITH ALONE that ONCE and ALWAYS save them even if they would lie to the HOLY SPIRIT. YES, i was JUSTIFIED through FAITH(a LIVING Faith not DEAD) and I have a LIVING Hope that God will SAVE me...
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    Ok since you want to be the authority in interpreting the scriptures using the MAN MADE OSAS LENS then maybe you could represent dcon who refuses to give his stance about lying to the Holy Spirit using the scriptures to prove your point and every OSAS followers point as a whole. And if everyone...
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    That is why you cannot give your stance when asked about lying to the Holy Spirit which would prove your own FALSE DOGMA.
 
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and more evidence that Argueless did not say what you accused him of

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    Thank you for the edifying reply as usual. So maybe i can get a response now as to your stance about lying to the Holy Spirit based on the TRUTH of thescriptures. Thank you in advance for an edifying response, i hope.
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    So what is your stance about lying to the Holy Spirit? Can you defend your stance?
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    ...If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil...
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    So what is your stance about lying to the Holy Spirit? Did you agree to this post below by Budman or not?
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    So what is your stance about lying to the Holy Spirit? Did you agree to this post below by Budman or not?
 
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PS said:
We do not need Greek or Hebrew. I have noticed that those who do, fit the description of those people described in Revelation 22:19. "And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
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So I'm taken away from the tree of life because I try to get the true intent of the Greek?

You ever read when Jesus asked Peter if he loves him and Peters response?
 
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BillG said:
So I'm taken away from the tree of life because I try to get the true intent of the Greek?

You ever read when Jesus asked Peter if he loves him and Peters response?
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Let scripture speak for itself and always remember at the judgement:-

if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which have been written in this Book. He who testifies these things says, Yes, I am coming quickly, Amen. Yes, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with all of you. Amen.

(Rev 22:19-21 MKJV)

Not my words, the words of Jesus.
 
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PS said:
Let scripture speak for itself and always remember at the judgement:-

if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which have been written in this Book. He who testifies these things says, Yes, I am coming quickly, Amen. Yes, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with all of you. Amen.

(Rev 22:19-21 MKJV)

Not my words, the words of Jesus.
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Just answer my questions please.
 
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PS said:
Let scripture speak for itself and always remember at the judgement:-

if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which have been written in this Book. He who testifies these things says, Yes, I am coming quickly, Amen. Yes, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with all of you. Amen.

(Rev 22:19-21 MKJV)

Not my words, the words of Jesus.
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yes can someone say this?
 
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Melach said:
yes can someone say this?
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Only Jesus can.

Yet it seems that if you desire to understand the word as it was written in the language of the time yet not may translate with the true intent then that's it.

Adding to the word.
Even though that word is a different language
 
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PS said:
Let scripture speak for itself. It is very clear. Far clearer than I can ever be.
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Not really.
You duck and dive.

Did Peter agape Jesus when asked?
 
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We are saved by the work of Christ's faith as a labor of his love. His faith (before plan) was not designed without works .

All grace is hyper. Out of all the sinners in the world he had his hyper grace according to His great mercy on us, as he does work in us, with us to both will and do His good pleasure . Why murmur and judge others ? He promises us as the better thins that accompany salvation that he will not forget the good works we do offer towards his name as evidence he is working in us.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings: Philippians 2:13-14
 
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