Calvinism And Predestination

You'd be surprised what you can learn from Google.

You have misinformation. The KJV has simpler sentence structure, less syllables per word, and less words per sentence to start with. This is how one determines readability.

Because Paul's heart was right with God. Salvation is first a matter of the heart, then actions gradually follow.

I understand this. But you don't believe in equal ultimacy, correct?

The King James Bible not only holds poetic beauty, but the words in it are easier than the new version's words. Below are just a few of the examples of the new version's using more difficult words compared to the words of the King James Bible.

Matthew 9:17 - NASV / wineskins - KJV / bottles
Matthew 1:11 - NASV / deportation - KJV / carried away
Luke 6:22 - NASV / ostracize - KJV / separate you from their company
1 Thes. 2:18 - NASV / thwarted - KJV / hindered
1 Tim. 3:3 - NASV / pugnacious - KJV / striker
1 Tim. 3:8 - NASV / sordid - KJV / filthy
1 Tim. 6:16 - NASV / a pang - KJV / sorrows
Hebrews 7:2 - NASV / apportioned - KJV / gave
Hebrews 12:1 - NASV / encumbrance - KJV / weight
Revelation 6:8 - NASV / ashen - KJV / pale
Revelation 18:1 - NASV / illumined - KJV / lightened

This is just a small sample.

i dont know what that means. sorry.

Equal ultimacy is the position that God is equally active in causing the salvation of the elect as He is involved in causing the damnation of the reprobate. Equal ultimacy would imply that God is actively involved in causing people to sin in order to bring about their damnation.

I've never heard of such a thing. It sounds like nonsence to me. I realize some are broken to begin with but our job is not to ignore the but to try and get them to receive salvation and baptize them. It's called the great commission. BTW I put that up here so others can see what heresy it is.

How is thou shalt not simpler than do not? Poetry does not interest me much. I'll keep my NIV, thank you very much.

Calibob defined it splendidly in post 201

I imagine you would reject it, as most Calvinists do .

i do reject it. i would say it from calvinist side it means that God simply leaves sinners be.

but you know i have to say i am not a calvinist. im only learning from the subject.

Thou shalt is actually more accurate than you do not. Thou and thee is singular in the English language where ye and you is plural. There are many passages in the new versions where this complicates who the audience is. By the time 1611, you was being used in a singular form, but the translators were looking for accuracy.

Nobody talks like that any more. The language changes and the words change meanings. Do you think 21st century schools teach 16th century English?

Queer dosn't mean counterfeit any more. I prefer the term adaptation over evolution but either way, we need to speak so others understand us or we'll be like the Catholics, who say things they don't understand or explain are sacred mysteries. We must be able to share with common men not just theologians.

this is charicature and misrepresentation of calvinism. they leave john 3:16 just as it is

its simply saying that those who believe are the elect. nothing else there.

I’m glad my Bible doesn’t sound like ordinary language. We are talking abou the word of God. We can share the message easily with the common man.

Who do you witness to outside of church then? Longshoremen, fishermen, truck drivers? Have you ever served a meal at a mission or tried to share the word with someone that's a little English challenged like a foreigner? Come down to earth and serve a little.

I’m glad my Bible doesn’t sound like ordinary language. We are talking abou the word of God. We can share the message easily with the common man.

Absolutely my friend. I share the word and explain it if necessary. What’s so difficult about the gospel as stated in the KJV?

Funny, that was the theology of my immaturity and being a baby Christian.

A complete system ....easy peasy.



Now this is an interesting line.

If Armenians think they can make God "act" then on the other side Calvin makes God so preoccupied with sovereignty, that God does not even respond to faith/belief but has to provide the faith/belief so that people can be saved.

I am convinced that Calvin was a severe and judgemental man who projected his shortcomings onto God