Not By Works

I have misunderstood nothing.

you have refuted nothing- you said " new Christian- able to bear fruit'

so, let's think- new Christian - bearing fruit. you used the word " able ". so, by doing this, you very carefully say that a new believer is supposed to be bearing fruit.

or, in other words, if the answer is " yes, a new believer is able to bear fruit" your next comment would be, " well, if they are able , then why are they not?".

so, use the plausible denial tactic all you want, me and some others see right through it.

You guys, (Budman, DC, EG, GB9, etc) keep coming at me with your opinions and philosophy, and I keep answering with scripture. Because you have NO scriptural basis for your refutations.

I am the one they like to falsely call the "fruit inspector"

Ir is a false accusation. Noone gets called on it. But when DC says "Argueless accused me (DC) of lyinng to the Holy Spirit". No one challenges it. The fact that I read that, was reason enough to come back, besides the fact that "fruit inspection" was brought up again, which is an indirect reference to me.

Man I just want to answer this from my perspective, so I'm not trying to gang up here or anything. I believe when we are in the flesh, fallen, lost, unsaved, whatever you want to call it, but spiritually dead and separate from God. Not only do you not do pleasing things to God in this condition, you are unable to. This is not a matter of your will or "deeds" at all, it is a matter of spiritual disconnection from God. So when we are "born again", we are spiritually brought to life and "reconnected" (reconciled) to Him. Now "able" to bare fruit were as we were unable to before. Now you live in Christ, you speak about Jesus, people that know you SEE the difference in you, those that don't see the light shining inside. That's just what happens, and this is evidence of ones salvation. This is truth and it saddens me that it causes so much conflict within us the bride.

Ok. But that isn't what I asked. I really don't know, but did he use YOUR name?

You guys, (Budman, DC, EG, GB9, etc) keep coming at me with your opinions and philosophy, and I keep answering with scripture. Because you have NO scriptural basis for your refutations.

take the plank out of your own eye.

who are you to judge another's servant?

those are just off the top of my head, but you get the idea.

Man I just want to answer this from my perspective, so I'm not trying to gang up here or anything. I believe when we are in the flesh, fallen, lost, unsaved, whatever you want to call it, but spiritually dead and separate from God. Not only do you not do pleasing things to God in this condition, you are unable to. This is not a matter of your will or "deeds" at all, it is a matter of spiritual disconnection from God. So when we are "born again", we are spiritually brought to life and "reconnected" (reconciled) to Him. Now "able" to bare fruit were as we were unable to before. Now you live in Christ, you speak about Jesus, people that know you SEE the difference in you, those that don't see the light shining inside. That's just what happens, and this is evidence of ones salvation. This is truth and it saddens me that it causes so much conflict within us the bride.

Budman brought me back. Untli then, I was staying out. Do you want post number?

Their key belief is they are sinners without the ability to walk righteously in communion with
Christ, FHA, faith, heart and action. Scripture is so clear this is the way, and through walking it
we are refined and transformed as we strive and struggle through the issues.

God bless you

10 And we pray this in order that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and may please
him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God,
11 being strengthened with all power according to his glorious might so that you may
have great endurance and patience, and joyfully
12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the
saints in the kingdom of light.
Col 1

Oddly when we come with the path we are meant to walk, these folk say we are hypocrites
denying our sin and our incapability to walk like this. Sounds like lost sinners pretending
to know Jesus. The door is always open, humble yourselves before the cross, confess your
sins and He will lift you up, Amen

Yeah, I kinda figured you wouldn't have the integrity to apologize.

And as far as the fruit inspecting stuff - sure. I do relish calling out hypocrites who love to judge people for sinning when they themselves sin every single day. At least I admit I sin every day - by either thought, word, or deed. Which makes me even more dependent of Jesus. And I do love calling out people who insist that if one does not work, they will lose their salvation - when they themselves can't give any specifics as to how much work or how often it's required. Those who live for nothing less than to put the heavy yoke of the Law back on believers. Hypocrites, Judaizers, and Pharisees all.

Yes Please.

Here you go, PenED. Who is he replying to?

Here you go, PenED. Who is he replying to?

Ok. But that isn't what I asked. I really don't know, but did he use YOUR name?

are you a moderator?

If so, did you guys ban argueless? Because he did not accuse DC of lying to the Holy Spirit. He was referring to DC's stance on lying to the Holy Spirit, when he inferred that Ananais and Saphira were saved even though they lied to the Holy Spirit

I just read that 5 times. Can you please show me where he mentioned your name, or you specifically?

Because all he is doing is talking about an issue. HE never agreed not to talk about that issue.

But YOU said you weren't gonna come back unless someone brought you up.

No. Not in the least. And further, if you want to comment here or anywhere else, you have the absolute right to do so.

I am just trying to gauge your integrity, and the integrity of your words.

I just read that 5 times. Can you please show me where he mentioned your name, or you specifically?