Easter vs Common Sense
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You have a fundamentally flawed view if ancient literature. Honestly is is quite staggering for one claiming knowledge in this area.
All historical works ought to be considered in their context. Honestly all writing shouls. To compare the Bible to pride and prejudice is to completely misunderstand genre. P&P never claims any authority as a historical or religious text. I cannot believe you would make such an obvious blunder.
Also, no attempt has been made to answer any of our critiques if your position. I would consider interacting meaningfully with these responses before continuing to rant about illogical nonsense. You have yet to make even one valid point in your posts. Just unrealistic standards, gross mischaracterizations, logical fallacies, and rhetoric. If you don't have anything meaningful to say in the subject then why post it to begin with??
All historical works ought to be considered in their context. Honestly all writing shouls. To compare the Bible to pride and prejudice is to completely misunderstand genre. P&P never claims any authority as a historical or religious text. I cannot believe you would make such an obvious blunder.
Also, no attempt has been made to answer any of our critiques if your position. I would consider interacting meaningfully with these responses before continuing to rant about illogical nonsense. You have yet to make even one valid point in your posts. Just unrealistic standards, gross mischaracterizations, logical fallacies, and rhetoric. If you don't have anything meaningful to say in the subject then why post it to begin with??
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Again you show tremendous ignorance in the study of literature, and of logic in general.
The Bible is completely different from any of the other works you listed. It is a compendium if books, not a single work. Saying that using scripture to validate scripture is fallacious because it shows you know nothing of the work you critique, or even if the science of linguistic study and history itself. Your bias and ignorance is clear.
These are eye witness documents (speaking specifically to the new testament here). Saying they themselves are not evidence would mean that you don't accept eye witness testimony. You sir would be the one laughed out of court. We have 4 eye witness testimonies that corroborate each other, along with the historical testimony of the early chrisitans. You have no reason at all to invalidate that testimony. Again, it isn't one book, it is a group of books.
Also, to say we need physical evidence to prove any historic claim would invalidate every historic claim. Most events that take place in history leave little trace, and almost none of it lasts 2000 years. Your standard would make every single historical claim impossible to validate. That my friend is just bad science.
Yes we believe in the supernatural. You clearly do not. Don't accuse us with bias when yours is written all over you face. We have given our evidence, you have not answered. We have completely demolished your arguments, you have not responded. This would be clear cut in any formal debate. The chat is welcome to let you down easy, but I will not. You came here to start trouble with illogical arguments, no facts, and a clear bias. That is really bad taste sir. You should be ashamed that you put this out into the public forum. We are waiting your response, but I'm certainly underwhelmed so far.
The Bible is completely different from any of the other works you listed. It is a compendium if books, not a single work. Saying that using scripture to validate scripture is fallacious because it shows you know nothing of the work you critique, or even if the science of linguistic study and history itself. Your bias and ignorance is clear.
These are eye witness documents (speaking specifically to the new testament here). Saying they themselves are not evidence would mean that you don't accept eye witness testimony. You sir would be the one laughed out of court. We have 4 eye witness testimonies that corroborate each other, along with the historical testimony of the early chrisitans. You have no reason at all to invalidate that testimony. Again, it isn't one book, it is a group of books.
Also, to say we need physical evidence to prove any historic claim would invalidate every historic claim. Most events that take place in history leave little trace, and almost none of it lasts 2000 years. Your standard would make every single historical claim impossible to validate. That my friend is just bad science.
Yes we believe in the supernatural. You clearly do not. Don't accuse us with bias when yours is written all over you face. We have given our evidence, you have not answered. We have completely demolished your arguments, you have not responded. This would be clear cut in any formal debate. The chat is welcome to let you down easy, but I will not. You came here to start trouble with illogical arguments, no facts, and a clear bias. That is really bad taste sir. You should be ashamed that you put this out into the public forum. We are waiting your response, but I'm certainly underwhelmed so far.
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The passage below is my No.1 rule of engagement when coping with difficult
folk.
● 2Tim 2:23-26 . . Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid
arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord's servant
must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not
resentful.
. . .Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will
grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that
they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the Devil, who
has taken them captive to do his will.
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The passage below is my No.1 rule of engagement when coping with difficult
folk.
● 2Tim 2:23-26 . . Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid
arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord's servant
must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not
resentful.
. . .Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will
grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that
they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the Devil, who
has taken them captive to do his will.
_
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Now let me take just one: compare the Bible as written evidence versus the Quran?
Both are documents written by men at a specific time in history. Both are documents that can be examined by critics. And they should be examined by critics.
The Quran reveals Muhammed as a certain type of leader. The Bible reveals Jesus as a very different type of leader. Both documents are valid written evidence.
So, yes, I agree - that the Bible should be questioned just like any other document: go ahead and question it and examine it! It will stand the test!
Both are documents written by men at a specific time in history. Both are documents that can be examined by critics. And they should be examined by critics.
The Quran reveals Muhammed as a certain type of leader. The Bible reveals Jesus as a very different type of leader. Both documents are valid written evidence.
So, yes, I agree - that the Bible should be questioned just like any other document: go ahead and question it and examine it! It will stand the test!
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2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain [was] full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
What do you think might be prerequisite for young men like Gehazi to having their eyes opened?
What do you think might be prerequisite for young men like Gehazi to having their eyes opened?
We consider both the Bible and science (in that order) to be God's gifts to us. We use science to build upon things clearly revealed to us by and through God's Holy Word.
Others use science-so-called in an effort to try and build without God, and even try to use it in an effort to deny the validity of His Holy Word.
Psalm 127
127:1 A Song of degrees for Solomon. Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh [but] in vain.
Matthew 7
7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Others use science-so-called in an effort to try and build without God, and even try to use it in an effort to deny the validity of His Holy Word.
Psalm 127
127:1 A Song of degrees for Solomon. Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh [but] in vain.
Matthew 7
7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
This is a complete non answer. I and several others have answered you points, provided our own, and waited for a response. Amazingly I predicted that you would avoid the questions and provide no more answers. I am sad to have been right but not at all surprised. You are not a hero by dropping all sorts of illogical nonsense in the forum, getting creamed, and calling everyone else difficult. What you have done is blasphemed Jesus Christ, denied His scripture,band denied the faith. Paul tells us if Jesus is not risen, our faith is in vain. The count still has you sitting at zero, and the rest of us are waiting for an answer. My assumption again is we will continue to wait. Repent, friend. Lay down your weapons of rebellion against the All Sovereign and trust in Christ alone for salvation.