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seeing that i didn't do anything except quote where you said "they were deceived" and correct it by citing where scripture specifies that Adam was not deceived -- and added no other comment -- how is it you have decided i didn't "understand anything" and that i "shut down" and "dismiss" or that i "interpreted" anything "erroneously" since i gave no interpretation or even any statement that hinted at an interpretation of any kind?
"cognitive dissonance" = simultaneously holding two mutually exclusive ideas.
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"cognitive dissonance" = simultaneously holding two mutually exclusive ideas.
- you say that i "didn't have the decency" to even address anything that you wrote.
- then you say that i "interpreted erroneously" what you wrote.
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have you ever noticed that He only said this about Adam -- not to both of them?
and that He said this, not when they ate - but when Adam changed the name of the Woman to Eve?
btw "the difference between" isn't in the text. only "knowing good and evil"
don't be mad because i am telling you, bruh.
i am telling you because these are important details. if we do not get all the details right, we do not get Genesis 3 right. for example, we have to know Adam was not deceived. if we think he was, we have it wrong.
and that He said this, not when they ate - but when Adam changed the name of the Woman to Eve?
btw "the difference between" isn't in the text. only "knowing good and evil"
don't be mad because i am telling you, bruh.
i am telling you because these are important details. if we do not get all the details right, we do not get Genesis 3 right. for example, we have to know Adam was not deceived. if we think he was, we have it wrong.
1.God created man with a desire to do the will of the Creator not seen . Mankind out of all the beasts of the field was created in a relationship of faith. Because of pride wanting to have a equal standing with the Creator mankind lost that faith, as a ability to please God. Mankind hearkened unto the voice of the strange one. The god of this corrupted world.
2. It is he that he desire we listen to, as he lovingly commands us. The commandment and not just a good suggestion is study to show oneself approved unto God. It will prove we are not the voice of god we are to follow .But we would follow Paul as he followed Christ... by faith, a work of Christ that worked in Paul with Paul a imputed righteousness not of our ownselves.
2. It is he that he desire we listen to, as he lovingly commands us. The commandment and not just a good suggestion is study to show oneself approved unto God. It will prove we are not the voice of god we are to follow .But we would follow Paul as he followed Christ... by faith, a work of Christ that worked in Paul with Paul a imputed righteousness not of our ownselves.
Romans 5:12 KJV
[12] Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Sin was NOT in the world nor in Adam (sin nature) until they disobeyed God and ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
1 Timothy 2:14 KJV
[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Even if you are “deceived” you are STILL in transgression and held accountable. Being ignorant of the law wouldn’t exempt one from the consequences of violating the law.
[12] Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Sin was NOT in the world nor in Adam (sin nature) until they disobeyed God and ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
1 Timothy 2:14 KJV
[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Even if you are “deceived” you are STILL in transgression and held accountable. Being ignorant of the law wouldn’t exempt one from the consequences of violating the law.
Created and perfect are two words that do mix. Only God is perfect. Only God is good. Good defines his work .Perfect has to with complete. .He is the author and perfecter as the perfect Faithful Creator. He calls what he creates good not perfect.
As long as we wait for our new bodies the work of perfecting our new spirits will go on.
Mankind like the angels that were not made of the dust of field were not created with a what some call "free will" . Mankind chose to the do will of another being that wanted the father of lies own free will .Mankind has it born without the faith to please another
Free will to a Christian is to do the will of the father, Food that the world knows not of.
As long as we wait for our new bodies the work of perfecting our new spirits will go on.
Mankind like the angels that were not made of the dust of field were not created with a what some call "free will" . Mankind chose to the do will of another being that wanted the father of lies own free will .Mankind has it born without the faith to please another
Free will to a Christian is to do the will of the father, Food that the world knows not of.
Ezekiel 28:14-15 KJV
[14] Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so : thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. [15] Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Note “Lucifer” (his name BEFORE his fall) was “the anointed cherub”. He was a Cherub NOT an angel!
Ezekiel 28:16 KJV
[16] By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
This is what Lucifer was. Now he has fallen! He was “cursed ABOVE all cattle” doesn’t say he was cattle. He was simply cursed ABOVE the cattle although scripture clearly shows Satan is a beast, a calf, a serpent, a dragon, the devil, etc.
[14] Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so : thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. [15] Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Note “Lucifer” (his name BEFORE his fall) was “the anointed cherub”. He was a Cherub NOT an angel!
Ezekiel 28:16 KJV
[16] By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
This is what Lucifer was. Now he has fallen! He was “cursed ABOVE all cattle” doesn’t say he was cattle. He was simply cursed ABOVE the cattle although scripture clearly shows Satan is a beast, a calf, a serpent, a dragon, the devil, etc.
I answered this on another post but here goes... “cursed above all cattle” means simply that. Is Lucifer a cow? He is manifest as a serpent, a beast, false prophet, Antichrist, a dragon, etc. But not a single verse teaches that an animal can sin. Satan is NOT an angel although he is “transformed into an angel of light”. He’s transformed! He’s not an angel nor is he of light. He mascarades and pretends.
2 Corinthians 11:14-15 KJV
[14] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. [15] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
And speaking on so many threads about “works” you clearly see how folks “end” will be “according to their works”
2 Corinthians 11:14-15 KJV
[14] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. [15] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
And speaking on so many threads about “works” you clearly see how folks “end” will be “according to their works”
You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
(Ezekiel 28:14)
(Ezekiel 28:14)
not an angel? then this is about the king of Tyre? hmm..
but "cursed above all cattle" -- does this mean cattle are cursed? how/why ?
or does it mean something else?
so then we have someone created, called perfect... we also have Hebrews 10:14, that Christ has perfected forever all those being made holy: also the created, being called perfected.
very often i wonder if i just don't know the right vocabulary, or if human language, post-Babel, just fails at certain points to express
very often i wonder if i just don't know the right vocabulary, or if human language, post-Babel, just fails at certain points to express
in re: why, i think we must pass through here:
i realize i'm side-tracking the thread some, but i do believe it's connected, and we can search out how
For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the One who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
(Romans 8:19-22)
i realize i'm side-tracking the thread some, but i do believe it's connected, and we can search out how
Mankind is the only creature subject to salvation. Not other animals of the field or angels as messenger of the word of God.
Yes Satan is the father of lying spirits a angel of darkness who transforms himself as a if he was an angel of light. .
Not a beast of the field created from the rudiments of this world. .Angel as ministering spirts they have no DNA .None needed to bring the spiritual truths of God.
"Cursed above all cattle” is in reference to he is cursed above all things created because of the corruption, when God corrupted it . I think at the end of the third day . Corruption began with the father of lies. You say cursed above the whole creation as the cause..
Job refers to the lying spirit that works in the heart of natural unconverted man the father of lies. To the worm, "destruction his mother and sister".
Job 17:14I have said to corruption, Thou art my father: to the worm, Thou art my mother, and my sister.
Yes Satan is the father of lying spirits a angel of darkness who transforms himself as a if he was an angel of light. .
Not a beast of the field created from the rudiments of this world. .Angel as ministering spirts they have no DNA .None needed to bring the spiritual truths of God.
"Cursed above all cattle” is in reference to he is cursed above all things created because of the corruption, when God corrupted it . I think at the end of the third day . Corruption began with the father of lies. You say cursed above the whole creation as the cause..
Job refers to the lying spirit that works in the heart of natural unconverted man the father of lies. To the worm, "destruction his mother and sister".
Job 17:14I have said to corruption, Thou art my father: to the worm, Thou art my mother, and my sister.