Rapists Cannot Be Saved

I'm sorry, but even if I read the scriptures until I die, I won't find what you did. Why? Because God took away my hate, and my right to judge. Maybe you should ask Him to do the same.

You are aware that chemo also destroys good cells I hope.

I find you to be an interesting person, History Princess, which is why I always try to catch your threads and posts when I can.

Many of the questions and issues you raise are things I relate to and have asked as well throughout my lifetime. Like you, I found that story about the Levite's concubine when I was young and thought to myself, "How can anyone believe in a God who would let that happen?"

I understand that maybe you believe you are called to bring people to action through extreme measures like insults and shock, and if that's what God has called you to do, I certainly don't want to oppose your calling.

I'd just like to suggest though, that since you feel so passionately about this subject, maybe you'd want to consider becoming involved with groups that are out there actively helping people recover? The internet is full of support sites--since you say the internet is the only thing you have, you might want to use it towards helping victims.

You say you have no power or influence but have a great deal of empathy--you don't know the power or influence you might have (through God's grace) when you reach out to, or support an organization that is helping victims get away from their abusers and to heal. Many people right here on CC share testimonies of abuse as you've described--maybe you could take a minute away from posting and pray for someone right here in your thread who is suffering because of the injustices you speak of? Or send someone an encouraging PM, or post a positive message on their profile wall if you can't PM--little things like this seem like they don't matter, but they can mean the world to someone.

It honestly makes me feel sad to see you swallowed up in so much bitterness and hated. I pray that God will give you peace, and a righteous way to vent your anger.

I understand that it often seems like a hopeless situation, but we fight back by giving hope, no matter how small, to other people. I truly hope you find a means of fighting for a social platform that will help you, and not simply cause you more anger.

You are able to do much more good than you think.

It is in certain cases. There were Christians who participated in a plot to assassinate Hitler for example, before they were caught and snuffed out that is.

Such people are not vulnerable and frightened. They KNOW what they're doing.

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. (Matthew 7:15)

Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. (Matthew 7:19, 20).

The thief only comes to steal and kill and destroy. (John 10:10)

The wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. (Eph 5:6)

Evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. (2 Tim 3:13)

Secretly bring in destructive heresies
Irrational animals, creatures of instinct
Born to be caught and destroyed
They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime
They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, while they feast with you
They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin
They entice unsteady souls
They have hearts trained for greed
Accursed children!
Following the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing
Waterless springs and mists driven by a storm
For them the gloom of utter darkness is reserved
They entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error
The dog returns to its own vomit
The sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire (all the above from 2 Peter 2)

The fact that they didn't succeed shows that they weren't led of God. Friedrich Bonhoeffer had some good ideas, but I don't think God led him to try and assassinate Hitler. As for ministering to the oppressed, you might consider that your violent posts might actually harm some who've been victimized. Many victims of trauma are triggered by any violent statements like that in your initial post.

Just because I feel passionately about something doesn't mean I have the emotional capacity to deal with it on a day to day basis.

"If you will not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your sins." -- Matthew 6:15.

Granted, we all know that forgiving people isn't easy. One of the reasons I can relate to your posts is because I am familiar with many of the feelings you describe. Like you, I've had many people in my life who suffered horrible injustices and I wanted to see all their abusers severely punished.

Many years ago, I used to write to a guy a in prison who was convicted of rape (but he insisted it was consensual), and another who was only in his 20's but was already preying on children. He himself had been a victim of another pedophile when he was very young and instead of being met with compassion or even help, people made fun of him for it. He alleged that what he had was a "sickness" that had been passed on to him by his abuser.

I have very mixed feelings about these kinds of situations, but I am grateful for having been able to correspond with these men because I know the main lesson God was trying to teach me during that time is that in God's eyes, my sins aren't any better or any more forgivable than those committed by others, no matter how severe.

I still struggle with plenty of issues with unforgiveness myself, and I still wrestle with knowing that if I don't learn to forgive, no matter how extreme the action was, God will not forgive me, either.

I was just wondering if you ever struggle with this as well (knowing our sins aren't forgiven if we don't forgive)?

Forgiveness does NOT come without REPENTANCE first.

Yes, this is exactly my point.

I assume you are speaking about this for others--you are saying the others (such as the people you are talking about in this thread) will not be forgiven without repentance.

Are you assuming then that you aren't committing any sins with the things you are stating, and therefore, do not need to repent or ask for forgiveness for yourself?

Your statement seems to be about everyone else, but not yourself, so do you see yourself as being exempt?

I'm not asking these things out of criticism. I am genuinely trying to understand where you're coming from.

I feel NO sympathy or empathy for people who've been through tough things yet go on to do bad things themselves. Childhood abuse is NOT an excuse.

No one is responsible for your sin. You and only you can make the choice, regardless of whether or not you've been abused yourself.

I would BEG to differ about some sins not being worse than others. That is a lie and is not in the bible.

Yes, absolutely.

I was in no way trying to say that previous experiences excuses a person for their subsequent actions.



Some sins might indeed be worse than others.

But the bottom line is that God also says all sins, no matter how severe, will be forgiven if someone repents and asks (except for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which, in that case, the person would be too proud to think they needed forgiveness and wouldn't repent anyway.)

Oh please. As if God wants a man like Hitler to live on this Earth.

Blasphemy isn't limited to one way of doing it. God cares about our actions, not just our hearts. People need to be taught that if someone is doing something evil in the name of God, they're really doing it in the name of the devil.

Do you really think God couldn't have prevented Hitler? He has His reasons, and most of them we'll never know.

And I'm guessing this is the purpose behind your threads and posts...

Because you feel that you are here to do some of the teaching toward the rest of us, since you see so many of us as brainless clods?