Not By Works

There are people who claim to be christians , and there are people who are really christians , saved by Gods Amazing grace...

God knows His , He knows His chosen ones , and He knows those who claim to be but are not...
If we could lose our salvation we would , but thank God He is the keeper of our precious souls...
I know I am carved on the palms of His hands , and no insecure believer or any dark matter can separate me from His love , for He chose me before the foundation of the world , all the glory to God Amen...xox...

I agree...It would make Him a liar...xox...

I still have to wonder

Why would God give ETERNAL life to someone in his omniscience he KNOWS he will have to take back later when he screws up?

Can God be deceived?

Like Adam and Eve?

If we could lose our salvation we would?? So you just said it is impossible to love God unless he allows us to continue in sin. Think about what your words actually mean. Jesus said, "if you love me keep my commandments"...and this is throughout scripture. Why cant you believe in what Jesus plainly says?

thank you, that is encouraging, i forgive others no problem, its forgiving myself thats always been the challenge.

If we could lose our salvation we would?? So you just said it is impossible to love God unless he allows us to continue in sin. Think about what your words actually mean. Jesus said, "if you love me keep my commandments"...and this is throughout scripture. Why cant you believe in what Jesus plainly says?

Jesus is our example..He proved that man, indwelt by the Holy spirit, need not sin. What a glorious salvation is this actual (not OSAS make believe) salvation. What a wonderful thing to realize that when bitterness, or impatience, or ___________________ wells up, a born again does not need to have an "oh well", or excuse, or whatever because that sin has no wage and God doesn't take THAT sin seriously, BUT rather is thankful to realize that He can and must go to Jesus in repentance and be forgiven of that sin.......and there is actual (not OSAS make believe peace and Joy) peace and joy in Jesus.

Adam and eve were never given eternal life. They were born perfect. And if they never sinned, they would have lived forever. But they were never promised eternal life. In fact, they had conditional life (on the day you eat of this tree you will die)

God gives us eternal life

Or did God give us conditional life?

I do not see conditional life as part of Gods promise

John said it is the FACT we KNOW we have eternal life. That keeps us believing in his name.
Not how good we are. If you do not KNOW you HAVE eternal life (eternal security or OSAS) you have no root for which to continue to believe in his name
Those are johns words. Why do you not trust him?

John said it is the FACT we KNOW we have eternal life. That keeps us believing in his name.

Not how good we are. If you do not KNOW you HAVE eternal life (eternal security or OSAS) you have no root for which to continue to believe in his name

Those are johns words. Why do you not trust him?

LOVE

So God can not blot a name from the book of life? So God (who only hath immortality..). Adam and Eve were created perfect, with a free will. Lucifer and the fallen angels were cast out of eternal life so to speak when they sinned. Adam and eve were cast out of eternal life so to speak when they sinned. What is the opposite of eternal life? Eternal Death. What is death? death is non-life.

John talking to the church
"If any man see his brother sin which is not unto death (?? but john my OSAS friends say that there is no such thing as a sin unto death), he shall ask, and he shall give him life (?? but john my OSAS friends say that sin doesn't cause a loss of life so how can you talk about "give him life", don't you know he already has that?) ….and the OSAS delusions go on and on

If it was down to us to keep ourselves , we would lose our Salvation...But thanks be to God it is He who keeps us...
We are kept under the blood of Christ , not because of anything we do , it is by Gods Amazing grace that we are saved at all...

I like your second line...

NO living human is sinlessly pure, except Jesus. But if we have been regenerated, we are to purify ourselves even as He is pure. We are to perfect holiness in the fear of the Lord. We are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. We are to add to our faith, virtue and to virtue knowledge, and to knowledge self control...etc. we have crucified the flesh with it's affections and lusts, we are redeemed for the purpose that we be zealous of good works, we are created in Christ Jesus unto good works, we are to be neither barren nor unfruitful, abounding in the work of the Lord, and our labor is not in vain, we are fellowlaborers with Christ and servants of Him, we are bought with a price and called to glorify God in our bodies and our spirits, which are His, we are not redeemed with silver and gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, therefore we are to be holy as he is holy.

This is the purpose, desire, and will of God for us...

None of this is to earn salvation. All of this is TRUE BECAUSE we are saved.

...and none of us has fully attained or are already perfect, but this we must do forgetting the things that are behind and pressing forward to the things before us, we must press on to take hold of that for which Christ took hold of us.

Therefore we must do all things without murmering or complaining, for God works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure.

and we must keep ourselves from idols.

In context

If someone sees someone sin, and he does not die (PHYSICALLY)

Again, context would help

John said, I write these things to you so you may KNOW YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, and by this CONTINUE TO
BELIEVE IN HIS NAME

If John contradicted himself. He can not be trusted

AMEN............PAID in FULL........end of story......after salvation SIN is directed at fellowship....not the loss of SALVATION...he is too dense to grasp that truth though

That's just it, if it were up to us to keep ourselves all would be lost...It is Jesus who keeps us...and he always keeps us pure, and if there is any sinning in our lives it is a red flag fluttering before our eyes that we have pulled away from Jesus keeping us! And we must again let Jesus have 100% of us. Never, ever get to the point where you despise the cross. This sinning doesn't count OSAS mentality is nothing but despising the cross. I know few OSAS folks consider that, but if they would begin to see the awfulness of sin and the indescribable cost of it -Jesus on the cross- they would stop the sin DOESNT REALLY MATTER, AT LEAST NOT REGARDING SALVATION line of Satan.