Is Ultimate Release from Hell Possible?

None of them and for this very reason, reigning for a long but limited time period (a thousand years) is sensless, unless we know the reason why that reign comes to an end. It's temporary because the 1st resurrection is where we were made ambassadors of Christ in flesh body which isn't eternal. It must be changed and this change occurs at the 2nd resurrection.

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death....when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption 1Cor.15:26,54

This isn't a future state of people who love the things of Satan. It's current reality. But "the smoke of their torment" (the vapor of their lives) can't be seen for what it really is, without knowing the peace Jesus gives. If we don't have the peace that passes human understanding, peace which the devil's people cannot have, then we're not walking with the Lord as we ought to be.

This is the "mother", the one who gave birth to all like herself throughout history. Smoke "Forever and ever" pertains to her destruction from the beginning of her existence until her end, not unending torture.

People are punished in this world (Lk.13:1-4) and are held captive to face the ultimate punishment.

The GWT judgment is synonymous with the judgment seat of Christ. The unrepentant are tormented at this time, because their sinful lives are being exposed. "Day and night forever and ever" pertains to the entirety of their past, the examination of them, which has an end.

posthuman said:

(to have an origin} ≠ {to cease}

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It does when it no longer serves a purpose. I believe at God's judgment seat, our lives will be examined. Then Jesus will show who ceases and who doesn't.

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 1Thes.4:13

Exactly.

Don't imagine they no longer exist just because the body of flesh - which is only a tent - has died.

Finally someone who actually gets it, bravo!

Immediately after His death of the cross Jesus descended into hell and preached to the spirits in prison for three days. Of course, a day in the eyes of God is like a thousand years and a thousand years a day so it may have seemed to be an indeterminate amount of time for Jesus to be separated from the love of His father. The true agony for Jesus was probably not the actual crucifixion, as brutal as it was but rather when His father turned away from Him because He had taken on the sins of the world.

Quite possibly he was because I said a prayer for his salvation.

I'm not. I'm saying without a new tent, they're not going forward.

I would say there will nothing left of them .The temporal corrupted spirit returns to the father and the temporal corrupted flesh returns to the dust...……….all in the, twinkling of the eye

It is an all consuming fire. Not a slow cooker or a smoke house. Up in smoke. Never to rise to new spirit life forever and ever more.

Deuteronomy 4:24 For the Lord thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

This belief is an appalling distortion of scripture.

God never turned away from himself, but men did. God never viewed himself as sinful, but men did.

Suuuure. Except for those pesky parts about them having "no rest day or night" and being "tormented day and night forever and ever".

Acts 24:15
and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

Jesus himself asked His father, while hanging on the cross, why the Father had forsake Him. The Father cannot look at sin so He turned the other way. You know of course, that there was a price to pay for sin don't you? Jesus, of course was not sinful in anyway but He was carrying the sins of the world and would have to pay for that. Salvation is definitely not a free thing, freely given perhaps but ultimately God is a god of justice and there was a cost attached to forgiveness that had to be paid. Not sure what version of the bible you are reading to come up with this perception that scripture was distorted. It states explicitly in the bible that Jesus asked the Father why He forsake Him.

What part of this verse don't you understand and where exactly is the distortion of scripture?

Matthew 27:45
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

That verse is in reference to the devil, the beast, and the false prophet

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 20:10

Hi thanks for the reply and sorry in advance for the rambling

Not a salvation issue . I am looking at some older ideas which in respect to some I have had some doubt in. You could say another view point.

With all do respect can't suffer if the temporal corrupted spirit is gone having returned to the father who gave it temporarily and corrupted flesh has begun it journey of returning to the lifeless spiritless dust it was formed of. What's going to do the suffering?

Day and night I would think has to do with under the Sun. Under the Sun is removed on the last day The glory of God will be the light no more night..(Revelation 21) The forever and ever is as long as they live, personal to the death . Can't suffer when one is dead.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

It is the punishment that Cain the "marked" man, by the number of man (- - -) said he could not bear: ."And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear"...…..a living hell. Cain hoped he would die. God promised he would carry out His word the mark of his word . Cain was not part of the Jury.

One that only Christ our rest can and did .He rested on the seventh. The rest believers have from the suffering of this godless world when and if they do mix faith in what they do hear, (hebrew4). Jonah is used as a an example of suffering the pangs of hell and also as parable to Christ's living work. The last sign as a wonder.

Jonah 2 King James Version (KJV) Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

All the days of there lives night and day that had no rest that could come from knowing Christ our sabbath rest . Our living sacrifice

Forever more on the other side of under the sun, the new heavens and earth, those who had not the Spirit of Christ will not rise to new spirit life.

God does not have mercy on one and the other no mercy... "merciless". I think it would take a merciless God to require some to suffer with no end and other to rise to new life. It is something I am working on. You could say it has bothered me for some time by the idea that a God who is subject to his own laws would refuse any form of mercy on some

James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

I think in that way when and if we offer our bodies in respect to His great mercy and offer the gospel of rest . Working to let no dept we have to Him remaining except for the continuing debt to love another that dead will remain as long as Christ continues to be our confidence. Have mercy on those who have no rest.

I agree, the arbiter who decides who lives and who ultimately dies rests with God alone.

"Come, and let us reason together..." is on my short list of favorite bible passages. My number one favorite is "Jesus Wept". Apparently, He couldn't' take the crap down here on earth either. That verse shows the humanity side of Jesus who is also divine and is God.

The bible states that it is God's will and desire that all shall be saved and that His son Jesus died for the sins of the world. Surely, God is capable and willing to accomplish His own will and desire. I'm not a Universalist either but it is my hope and prayer that everyone will ultimately be saved from eternal punishment.

God has always been God and has always known about mankind in general and also each unique individual. In a spiritual sense, mankind has indeed always existed.

I prefer the long answer.