A NON-CHARISMATIC UNDERSTANDING OF TONGUES

Ok this makes more sense.

It is ceremonial washings. I thought you were talking about The book , which contained the torah as well as other laws.. also called the mitsva

What these washings did was picture or a symbol of What God was going to do for us. The washing,/baptism of the spirit.

God washes us, That is what all of those washings represented. Out plight against God is so severe, so desperate we must literally be WASHED before we can come into the presence of God

This is the purpose of the baptism of the spirit (Rom 6, 1 cor 12, col 2) were as aul said, it is not by works we have been saved but by Gods mercy through the washign (mitsva or baptism) and regeneration (new birth) of the holy spirit.

smh

This is what I found when I looked it up

its primary meaning, the Hebrew word mitzvah (/ˈmɪtsvə/;[1] meaning "commandment", מִצְוָה, [mit͡sˈva], Biblical: miṣwah; plural מִצְווֹת mitzvot [mit͡sˈvot], Biblical: miṣwoth; from צִוָּה ṣiwwah "command") refers to precepts and commandments commanded by God, with the additional connotation of one's religious duty.
It is used in rabbinical Judaism to refer to the 613 commandments given in the Torah at biblical Mount Sinai and the seven rabbinic commandments instituted later for a total of 620. The 613 commandments are divided into two categories: 365 negative commandments and 248 positive commandments. According to the Talmud, all moral laws are, or are derived from, divine commandments. The collection is part of the larger Jewish law or halakha.
The opinions of the Talmudic rabbis are divided between those who seek the purpose of the mitzvot and those who do not question them. The latter argue that if the reason for each mitzvah could be determined, people might try to achieve what they see as the purpose of the mitzvah, without actually performing the mitzvah itself (lishmah), which would become self-defeating. The former believe that if people were to understand the reason and the purpose for each mitzvah, it would actually help them to observe and perform the mitzvah (some mitzvot are given reasons in the Torah).
In its secondary meaning, Hebrew mitzvah, as with English "commandment", refers to a moral deed performed within a religious duty. As such, the term mitzvah has also come to express an individual act of human kindness in keeping with the law. The expression includes a sense of heartfelt sentiment beyond mere legal duty, as "you shall love your neighbor as yourself" (Leviticus 19:18). The tertiary meaning of mitzvah also refers to the fulfillment of a mitzvah.[citation needed]

Can people now understand the confusion

Yeah and I stand by that.

You have not showed me anythign to change my view on what a false prophet or prophesy is.

Next time use english..

If you said ceremonial washings according to the law. I would have understood you.

Romans 6 in the beginning of the chapter is speaking of water baptism and what it signifies in our lives. Dead to sin, alive to God. Rebirth.

1Cor 12 is about being baptized into the body of Jesus. This is Holy Spirit baptism and subsequent giftings, offices, administrations....

Colossians 2 My favorite book. Mainly the benfits of the Cross and more indepth to the new birth.

You probably know this, but the reason they got away with Baptizing the 3000, without offending the Jewish Sanhedrin, was thankfully do to the fact that their were SEVERAL MIKVAHS located in the Temple area.

EG

Why do you think I am trying to change your view?

We are totally off now on this thread that VCO started.



You don't believe in tongues...or maybe you don't trust the spiritual side of our life in Jesus Christ. So be it.

I am not familiar with the phrase.

Blessings EG. We are both on the right foundation.

smh was for Garee.

Romans 6 says we were baptised into Christ and his death, It has nothign to do with water baptism, this is spirit baptis,. Your pastor can not baptise you into christ, this is a false teaching because of a misinterpretation of the word.

It is the act of God the holy spirit baptising you into the death and burial of christ where your sins are washed.
The baptism into christ does is not where you get your gifting from. You get your gifting because the holy spirit come INTO (anoint) You

You spoke of baptisms in the OT. You should also know the ceremonial introduction of the children of levi as priests

1. Washed (baptism)
2. Sacrifice given
3. Anointed (the holy oil representing the HS

Gifts come from number 3. Not number 1.

Col 2 speaks of the circumcision done by the hand of God vs the hands of men, Through being baptised by the work of the HS (again, HS baptism represents spiritual cleansing, or a fulfilment of the OT ceremonial washings or baptisms)

Since the topic of my post was baptism, I wuld have thought you would have looked at the baptism passages and seen them as Such

I don't agree with your understanding of the baptism of Holy Spirit EG, and we have come to an impasse on this subject, IMO. And I just gave the highlights of the chapters.

There's the subject now of chariots that I want to look at, plus some teaching that I've missed I need to catch up on.

Later... carry on the torch of faith alone! 😇

Which fake news channel, CNN or Fox? Don't you know they are BOTH lying to you?

One of the best comments on this thread/topic.
- I am saying this..with sense of humor.
LOL

Clear that this has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit, thats demonic!!!

actually believing in Christ assures our salvation

I agree with stones...you have a rather convoluted interpretation with regards to the Holy Spirit

the NT makes it plain that we are SEALED with the Spirit of God when we believe

what is too bad, is how you you change what is said and post what you think and ignore the many times people tell you that they did not say what YOU said they say

you did this with stones through the last few pages

you are right the this is not a light subject which is why you should stop trying to teach on it since you do not understand it