A NON-CHARISMATIC UNDERSTANDING OF TONGUES

Amen.......quite contrary to scripture.......but hey........as long as one can back flip down the isle hey......

Complain all you want. While there may be errors in this-as in all other threads-I've rarely seen threads by opponents of this that weren't rife with errors and just plain nonsense, and plenty of personal experience with little or no scriptural support.

You are not being very honest and or did not read the OP if you think the OP was cherry picking and policing........or just being obstinant.....!

Amen.........

Kelby said similar words. Yet what happened EG? Not saying you but another here who is being hypocritical.

VCO, I have refuted most of the material you post in my thread on speaking in tongues, but plan to refute your various claims, (including your claim to speak for noncharimatic denominations) point by point on your thread, when I've finished with my own main points on my thread. It strikes me as arrogant and even patronizing for you to make so many controversial claims and then protest that you don't want a debate. Do you really expect your readers to simply embrace your false claims, stereotypes, and strawmen without challenge?
btw, No real NT scholar, trained in relevant Greco-Roman religions would accept your false and simplistic characterization of the history of religions scene and its relevance to Corinth.

Hope you are not referencing me.....I have family and friends in the charismatic movement in and around Sullivan Missouri and that is exactly what they do....and to be honest, it is a very disturbing thing to view.....30 to 40 people all dancing around in some erratic, estatic very fleshly emotional worldly release with a handful uttering sounds akin to jibberish with no discernable words whatsoever at all.......and that is what I am talking about when I oppose the modern practice..............

What most Christians do not even realize is the it is Satan who made sure that modern tongues would (1) become a divisive force in Christianity, (2) distract Pentecostals/Charismatics from focusing on Christ, and put their focus on spiritual gifts and the Holy Spirit, and (3) distract Pentecostals/Charismatics from the critical focus on the preaching of the true Gospel, and bringing souls to Christ.

Any doctrine(s) which divides Christians is ultimately from Satan (through men). For example, Calvinism is another divisive set of man-made doctrines which perverts the Gospel. And of course, then we have the cults with their heretical ideas.

I don't remember you posting there so no I wasn't. The same one who protests all the threads on speaking in the power of Holy Spirit in unknown tongues.

Here protesting arguing or debate.

Mr. Nehemiah, the focus of worshipping in Spirit and truth is always on Jesus and / or Father. Depending on what's been revealed to our hearts about either.

That's called revelation. Which is always ongoing in Holy Spirits revealing as we seek the Lord.

Looked, I do not see a Kelby in this thread, WHat exactly are you talking about sis?

I has been my experience that Most Pentecostals and Charismatics will ALWAYS ATTACK, when someone has an opinion OPPOSITE of their holy grail. The first family get together, after I wrote the Original A NON-CHARISMATIC UNDERSTANDING OF TONGUES ended up with two of Sister-inlaws actually yelling at me from across the dining room table during lunch. That is why I started this post our with: I DO NOT WANT A DEBATE ON THIS SUBJECT, hoping to avoid the inevitable ARGUMENT from the Charismatic and Pentecostal side of the issue.

In my opinion, their instant headed ARGUMENT, verifies it is NOT OF GOD.

Thanks, And as far as I know, most non-charismatic Churches would agree with it 90 - 100%. It is Nothing New, it is the Traditional teachings on TONGUES. Only new teaching, is the Modern Day Charismatic and Pentecostal Teaching that started in 1906.

OOPS, bottom line should be Heated ARGUMENT.

I can state as having one and only one experience of speaking in tongues it is a psychological manifestation.

Interesting to note that studies using brain scans suggest disassociation, that is why people feel like there is higher power at work along with automaticity, the experience of the activity being performed by itself.

Insult was wasted, I am not a Baptist. DO NOT CONTINUE, I will put you on permanent IGNORE.

VCO,
Let me call your bluff and ask you 5 probing questions which even take into account posts you have erased:
(1) You claim to be the mouthpiece for other non-charismatic denominations about the glossolalia issue. If you were sadly distorting the actual positions of many of these denominations, would you even want to learn how this is so?

(2) You claim competence in the cultural and history-of[- religions background of Corinthian glossolalia. If your obvious lack of adequate academic relevant training in Greco-Roman religions could be demonstrated, would you even want to have this demonstrated to You?

(3) You express intolerance of any honest seekers who have conclude that your irrational screed against modern speaking in tongues badly distorts biblical teaching. So, sadly, it must be asked whether, if your claims here could be decisively refuted, would you even want to learn the reasons why?

(4) You dismiss anticipated criticism on the grounds that you haven't heard anything new on this subject in decades. So if new insights by better educated scholars could be presented to you that refute your claims, would you even want to learn from them?

(5) You threaten to press the "ignore" button if any one dares to challenge your interpretations. Can you understand why that sound like a little boy threatening to take his toys home, if others won't play by his rules? And consider this: if you ignore honest critiques from those who feel that you're perverting God's word, can you understand their indifferent to such a silly threat? And do you really want to be systematically and comprehensibly refuted without any reply from you?

My 5 questions are probing the question of whether you are even capable of honest and open intelellectual inquiry into the relevant issues. Stay tuned for my eventual comprehensive responses, whether you ignore me or not.

KelbyofGod and he has his own thread. Now on page 2. The truth about tongues, Holy Spirit etc. I probably don't have the correct title but it's close.

I had the HOLY SPIRIT COME INTO MY HEART the MOMENT THAT I WAS SAVED, the last week of 1979; and HE has been TEACHING ME EVER SINCE. He is how you know HE is in you:

1 John 2:5 (HCSB)
5 But whoever keeps His word, truly in him the love of God is perfected. This is how we know we are in Him:

John 14:16-17 (CSBBible)
16 "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever.
17 He is the Spirit of truth. The world is unable to receive him because it doesn't see him or know him. But you do know him, because he remains with you and will be in you. [Notice that was Before the Day of Pentecost.]


WOOOO HOOOOO!!!! Does Not EXIST, but then again, it could be a DECEIVING SPIRIT.

NO RESPONSE WANTED.



For the non-charismatic readers: Here is some INFO that I ran across AFTER I Published the STUDY. This video was published by a guy that described himself is Charismatic - Pentecostal Believer, that was deeply concerned that Deceiving Spirits had entered into their worship services in a great number of their Churches. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO WATCH VIDEO, it is Deceiving Spirit in the Charismatic Churches. I know of this personally, because one my Sister-inlaws was involved in one of the Churches mentioned in this video.

So UnderGrace, I have never spoken in tongues and I do not have a desire to speak in tongues but I am curious about this spiritual gift. Would you be willing to describe your experience in speaking in tongues and why did you only have "one experience." A Christian friend once told me that if ask God to give me this gift He will, do you know if that is true.

Thank you and God bless.