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I am not talking against it.
I do not believe that the world tells the truth, I believe that God does.
Just look at that lump of metal that supposedly landed on the moon the "first time", in 1969.
The wisdom of the world is foolishness in the eyes of God.
With my own eyes, I've witnessed several lies and manipulations from NASA, - (and if they tell the truth, why would they lie?) The world wants you to believe you're a mistake, up to chance, random, - just a tiny speck in this gigantic universe! With GOD far, far away.
The videos are all over,
and that one lie was enough for me, but I must also mention that I know for a fact that God has opened my eyes,
and given me ears to hear, and I do believe that is the only reason I have the ability to see.
One may disagree, but this is what I am holding onto, - and I am not going into discussions with any, - if they disagree,
and stand on what they have been fed without asking serious questions, that is up to them...
Kind regards.
I do not believe that the world tells the truth, I believe that God does.
Just look at that lump of metal that supposedly landed on the moon the "first time", in 1969.
The wisdom of the world is foolishness in the eyes of God.
With my own eyes, I've witnessed several lies and manipulations from NASA, - (and if they tell the truth, why would they lie?) The world wants you to believe you're a mistake, up to chance, random, - just a tiny speck in this gigantic universe! With GOD far, far away.
The videos are all over,
and that one lie was enough for me, but I must also mention that I know for a fact that God has opened my eyes,
and given me ears to hear, and I do believe that is the only reason I have the ability to see.
One may disagree, but this is what I am holding onto, - and I am not going into discussions with any, - if they disagree,
and stand on what they have been fed without asking serious questions, that is up to them...
Kind regards.
A
If we're walking in the Light of God, why would we worry about what shape the earth is? Seriously, don't you think we're better off resting in Jesus at all times and trusting Him to keep us, rather than living in paranoia about being deceived by NASA?
The following is written by Dominic Statham, from Creation Ministries Int'l.
Isaiah 40:22 and the shape of the earth
The first line of Isaiah 40:22 reads, “It is he [i.e. God] who sits above the circle of the earth.” Some have argued from this that Scripture teaches the earth to be a flat disc, rather than a globe. However, even if the original Hebrew is correctly understood to refer to a circle, this doesn’t necessarily indicate something flat; a sphere appears as a circle when seen from above—and indeed from whatever direction it is viewed. Moreover, there is good reason to believe that the word translated ‘circle’ might be better translated ‘sphere’.
The Hebrew word in question is khûg (חוּג) which is also found in Job 22:14 where, in many Bible versions, it is translated ‘vault’. For example, the New American Standard Bible reads, “Clouds are a hiding place for Him, so that He cannot see; and He walks on the vault of heaven.” Clearly ‘vault’ carries the sense of something three-dimensional and is given as the primary meaning of khûg in the well-known Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon.1 In modern Hebrew, a sphere is denoted by khûg, along with kaddur, galgal, and mazzal.2 In Arabic (another Semitic language), kura means ball and is the word used in the Van Dyck-Boustani Arabic Bible (1865) to translate khûg in Isaiah 40:22.
A case can also be made from modern European terms denoting sphericity. Philologists have discovered a number of Indo-European words that appear to be related to Semitic words, whether of shared origin or having been borrowed in the distant past.3 While there is no specific evidence confirming a link in the case of the Hebrew word khûg, it may be significant that, in Indo-European languages, there are similar-sounding words that definitely refer to a spherical object, examples being kugel (Middle High German), kula (Polish), kugla(Serbo-Croatian) and gugā (their Proto-Indo-European root).4,5,6
Various sixteenth century Latin Bibles indicate that medieval scholars understood khûg in Isaiah 40:22 to refer to the sphericity of the earth. For example, Santes Pagnino translated this sphaera, and Benedictus Arias Montanus and François Vatable globus. The seventeenth century Giovanni Diodati Bible also used globus and the eighteenth century Dutch Hebraist Campeius Vitringa used orbis.7 More recently, the Spanish Jerusalem Bible used ‘orb’ and the Italian Riveduta Bible ‘globo’.
Conclusion
While most modern Bible versions translate khûg as ‘circle’, a good case can be made that ‘sphere’ was the sense intended by the original Hebrew. Historically, scholars have often taken this view, preferring the Latin words sphaera, globus and orbis. The recent preference for ‘circle’ may have arisen from the belief that people living in Isaiah’s time were too primitive to realise the true nature of the earth. This would seem unlikely, however, as Job 26:7, probably written several centuries before, states that God “hangs the earth on nothing,” indicating that the ancient Hebrews had quite a sophisticated understanding of cosmology.
Everyone is in agreement that khûg carries the sense of roundness, and common usage makes clear that this can refer to either a two or three dimensional geometry. Hence, it cannot be argued that Isaiah 40:22 clearly teaches the earth to be a disc. Moreover, even if khûg does refer to a circle here, this doesn’t necessarily indicate flatness as a globe appears as a circle from whatever direction it is viewed.
The following is written by Dominic Statham, from Creation Ministries Int'l.
Isaiah 40:22 and the shape of the earth
The first line of Isaiah 40:22 reads, “It is he [i.e. God] who sits above the circle of the earth.” Some have argued from this that Scripture teaches the earth to be a flat disc, rather than a globe. However, even if the original Hebrew is correctly understood to refer to a circle, this doesn’t necessarily indicate something flat; a sphere appears as a circle when seen from above—and indeed from whatever direction it is viewed. Moreover, there is good reason to believe that the word translated ‘circle’ might be better translated ‘sphere’.
The Hebrew word in question is khûg (חוּג) which is also found in Job 22:14 where, in many Bible versions, it is translated ‘vault’. For example, the New American Standard Bible reads, “Clouds are a hiding place for Him, so that He cannot see; and He walks on the vault of heaven.” Clearly ‘vault’ carries the sense of something three-dimensional and is given as the primary meaning of khûg in the well-known Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon.1 In modern Hebrew, a sphere is denoted by khûg, along with kaddur, galgal, and mazzal.2 In Arabic (another Semitic language), kura means ball and is the word used in the Van Dyck-Boustani Arabic Bible (1865) to translate khûg in Isaiah 40:22.
A case can also be made from modern European terms denoting sphericity. Philologists have discovered a number of Indo-European words that appear to be related to Semitic words, whether of shared origin or having been borrowed in the distant past.3 While there is no specific evidence confirming a link in the case of the Hebrew word khûg, it may be significant that, in Indo-European languages, there are similar-sounding words that definitely refer to a spherical object, examples being kugel (Middle High German), kula (Polish), kugla(Serbo-Croatian) and gugā (their Proto-Indo-European root).4,5,6
Various sixteenth century Latin Bibles indicate that medieval scholars understood khûg in Isaiah 40:22 to refer to the sphericity of the earth. For example, Santes Pagnino translated this sphaera, and Benedictus Arias Montanus and François Vatable globus. The seventeenth century Giovanni Diodati Bible also used globus and the eighteenth century Dutch Hebraist Campeius Vitringa used orbis.7 More recently, the Spanish Jerusalem Bible used ‘orb’ and the Italian Riveduta Bible ‘globo’.
Conclusion
While most modern Bible versions translate khûg as ‘circle’, a good case can be made that ‘sphere’ was the sense intended by the original Hebrew. Historically, scholars have often taken this view, preferring the Latin words sphaera, globus and orbis. The recent preference for ‘circle’ may have arisen from the belief that people living in Isaiah’s time were too primitive to realise the true nature of the earth. This would seem unlikely, however, as Job 26:7, probably written several centuries before, states that God “hangs the earth on nothing,” indicating that the ancient Hebrews had quite a sophisticated understanding of cosmology.
Everyone is in agreement that khûg carries the sense of roundness, and common usage makes clear that this can refer to either a two or three dimensional geometry. Hence, it cannot be argued that Isaiah 40:22 clearly teaches the earth to be a disc. Moreover, even if khûg does refer to a circle here, this doesn’t necessarily indicate flatness as a globe appears as a circle from whatever direction it is viewed.
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AuntieAnt.
God wants childlike faith, and man is not required to reveal the word of God, but His Spirit is.
It seems that the things written, and the conclusion made is after the wisdom of man, -
without relying on revelations from the Spirit of God, I do believe this.
Why do I believe this?
Because many of the things written is based on what he, and everyone else has been told by man.
NASA, - that has been proved to tell lies - have told the world that the world is round!
A big bang, - random, chance, coincidence.
What does a bunch of galaxies, planets, big bangs, stars here and there, and everywhere point to?
A lack of order. Randomness. A lack of a Creator.
They are not being honest, I can tell you that, and that is indeed a major issue.
This guy compares wisdom of GOD with the "revelation" and wisdom of man, what has been shown by man.
Because his belief is built on what he has seen with his own eyes, - what has been told him by man, and not God.
But if MAN is a liar, and GOD has the truth, whom should you believe?
Because the entire view this person holds, is after what has been shown to him by man.
If NASA never released photographs they say are from the earth we live on, what would this man that enterprete do?
He would read, as a child, - and say - "Hey, ok, it says the world is a circle."
There would be no room for another point of view.
He would not be able to compare it with the wisdom of the world, that tells him something else,
and that is not after the word of God, because the world, and the lies of Satan is not in agreement with God.
What does NASA bring to the table?
"Big bang, chance, randomness, black holes, thousands of galaxies." -
and why is this not mentioned even once in the Bible?
Why are we spoken of as the only creation of God, so precious before Him, if He has created so much else?
Why is He so jealous for us?
Why the need to mix the wisdom of man, with the wisdom of God?
Does not GOD hold the truth, He that is unseen - rather than that what is shown and visible for the eyes?
If something is seen, and appear to be true, does it make it true?
What then, when Satan comes to deceive man with lying and false wonders? He will, this is written.
And NASA is not after the heart of GOD - what do they even believe, and is their wisdom and science close to God at all?
I would say they point away from a Creator, and far from Him.
You say:
"If we're walking in the Light of God, why would we worry about what shape the earth is? Seriously, don't you think we're better off resting in Jesus at all times and trusting Him to keep us, rather than living in paranoia about being deceived by NASA? "
I do believe that we are better of resting in Jesus, we are nothing without Him, and He holds the words of life.
He is this word of life, and the only truth there is.
I am not living in paranoia about being deceived by NASA, - I am just saying that they are being dishonest, and since they are the ones shaping the view of the entire world, for the entire population here on earth, that is a big, big problem!
Especially when they lie, and technology advances to further their lies - and lies are from Satan, not God.
I do also think that this is a serious issue, because this points man away from the word of God,
and to walk after the wisdom of man, and the world - which is foolishness in His eyes!
What is seen, is not always as it seems.
Can you be deceived?
I am being childlike.
With one book, from my Creator.
I believe in this book,
and this book is my only truth.
The only truth.
If man speaks against it, even with very convincing "wisdom", visible to the eye, I will believe God.
Because man has been proved to lie, - and God does not!
One may disagree with me, but if you do, be certain that the view you hold, that is from the world, is not built on a lie.
Be certain! You must, and you can.
God is a God of order.
God wants childlike faith, and man is not required to reveal the word of God, but His Spirit is.
It seems that the things written, and the conclusion made is after the wisdom of man, -
without relying on revelations from the Spirit of God, I do believe this.
Why do I believe this?
Because many of the things written is based on what he, and everyone else has been told by man.
NASA, - that has been proved to tell lies - have told the world that the world is round!
A big bang, - random, chance, coincidence.
What does a bunch of galaxies, planets, big bangs, stars here and there, and everywhere point to?
A lack of order. Randomness. A lack of a Creator.
They are not being honest, I can tell you that, and that is indeed a major issue.
This guy compares wisdom of GOD with the "revelation" and wisdom of man, what has been shown by man.
Because his belief is built on what he has seen with his own eyes, - what has been told him by man, and not God.
But if MAN is a liar, and GOD has the truth, whom should you believe?
Because the entire view this person holds, is after what has been shown to him by man.
If NASA never released photographs they say are from the earth we live on, what would this man that enterprete do?
He would read, as a child, - and say - "Hey, ok, it says the world is a circle."
There would be no room for another point of view.
He would not be able to compare it with the wisdom of the world, that tells him something else,
and that is not after the word of God, because the world, and the lies of Satan is not in agreement with God.
What does NASA bring to the table?
"Big bang, chance, randomness, black holes, thousands of galaxies." -
and why is this not mentioned even once in the Bible?
Why are we spoken of as the only creation of God, so precious before Him, if He has created so much else?
Why is He so jealous for us?
Why the need to mix the wisdom of man, with the wisdom of God?
Does not GOD hold the truth, He that is unseen - rather than that what is shown and visible for the eyes?
If something is seen, and appear to be true, does it make it true?
What then, when Satan comes to deceive man with lying and false wonders? He will, this is written.
And NASA is not after the heart of GOD - what do they even believe, and is their wisdom and science close to God at all?
I would say they point away from a Creator, and far from Him.
You say:
"If we're walking in the Light of God, why would we worry about what shape the earth is? Seriously, don't you think we're better off resting in Jesus at all times and trusting Him to keep us, rather than living in paranoia about being deceived by NASA? "
I do believe that we are better of resting in Jesus, we are nothing without Him, and He holds the words of life.
He is this word of life, and the only truth there is.
I am not living in paranoia about being deceived by NASA, - I am just saying that they are being dishonest, and since they are the ones shaping the view of the entire world, for the entire population here on earth, that is a big, big problem!
Especially when they lie, and technology advances to further their lies - and lies are from Satan, not God.
I do also think that this is a serious issue, because this points man away from the word of God,
and to walk after the wisdom of man, and the world - which is foolishness in His eyes!
What is seen, is not always as it seems.
Can you be deceived?
I am being childlike.
With one book, from my Creator.
I believe in this book,
and this book is my only truth.
The only truth.
If man speaks against it, even with very convincing "wisdom", visible to the eye, I will believe God.
Because man has been proved to lie, - and God does not!
One may disagree with me, but if you do, be certain that the view you hold, that is from the world, is not built on a lie.
Be certain! You must, and you can.
God is a God of order.
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I have no business standing in the awesomeness of AuntieAnt and GodisSpiritGodisHoly's replies. They are perfect and led, I believe. This is the argument - it's always been the argument. It doesn't matter to me what politics do. I don't care who declares what. Israel is God's promise to His people. It's the establishment of God's law and it's fulfillment. It's Capital where Christ was poorly judged. Israel's people were hardly EVER right and that's exactly not the point. It's. God's. Place. There is no more.
You're approaching this as though NASA is all-powerful in promoting a spherical earth. Frankly, though they (claim to) have done some amazing things with regard to understanding the cosmos, there are some very good earth-bound experiments that debunk flat earth, making NASA's claims irrelevant.
Also, though you claim to be exercising childlike faith, you're actually being quite arrogant, attributing to yourself the "proper" kind of faith while implying that those who disagree with you have an inferior form. God didn't give you a brain so you could put it in neutral.
Also, though you claim to be exercising childlike faith, you're actually being quite arrogant, attributing to yourself the "proper" kind of faith while implying that those who disagree with you have an inferior form. God didn't give you a brain so you could put it in neutral.
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You're approaching this as though NASA is all-powerful in promoting a spherical earth. Frankly, though they (claim to) have done some amazing things with regard to understanding the cosmos, there are some very good earth-bound experiments that debunk flat earth, making NASA's claims irrelevant.
Also, though you claim to be exercising childlike faith, you're actually being quite arrogant, attributing to yourself the "proper" kind of faith while implying that those who disagree with you have an inferior form. God didn't give you a brain so you could put it in neutral.
Also, though you claim to be exercising childlike faith, you're actually being quite arrogant, attributing to yourself the "proper" kind of faith while implying that those who disagree with you have an inferior form. God didn't give you a brain so you could put it in neutral.
I do also agree, God did not give me a brain that I am to put in neutral, but I do believe that the view of how the world is, according to NASA; and God, is different.
And one would not believe the world to be round, and spherical if NASA did not tell you this, do you agree?
So NASA'S claims are not irrelevant, because these experiments that are being done are being done to find out if what has been told by NASA, is true or not, - and much of the wisdom used may not be according to truth.
Kind regards.
As you said Dino, I did come off as highminded, and as if I were to be superior with my view,
and I do want to apologize for this, to anyone and everyone that reads my post.
I am deleting my account, as this is not bearing any good fruit in my life, or benefiting others at the moment.
I do hope that the ones that read the posts, thinks about what has been said and talked about, as the viewpoint of the world is different from the viewpoints of God.
Leaving this post before I go.
Most importantly, look to our saviour Jesus Christ.
Get to know Him, and His ways.
Goodbye!
Kind regards.
and I do want to apologize for this, to anyone and everyone that reads my post.
I am deleting my account, as this is not bearing any good fruit in my life, or benefiting others at the moment.
I do hope that the ones that read the posts, thinks about what has been said and talked about, as the viewpoint of the world is different from the viewpoints of God.
Leaving this post before I go.
Most importantly, look to our saviour Jesus Christ.
Get to know Him, and His ways.
Goodbye!
Kind regards.
AuntieAnt,
What is most important about Isaiah 40:22,
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Isaiah 40:22
is that it says circle of the earth. Stop and think for a moment. What does that mean? It means the circle of dry land.
And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:10
That means that the dry land that surrounds the circle sea,
And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. 1 Kings 7:23
that God made at creation, is the circle of the earth that is referred to. It cannot mean anything else. Antarctica is a circle of the earth around the great sea that God made at creation; and from there it extends out to the four corners of the world.
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. Revelation 7:1
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Isaiah 11:12
And it extends as dry land, with lakes and rivers (just as the rest of the land was placed above the waters at creation), because the word of God says that He gathered the seas together.
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. Genesis 1:9
The foundation of the world, is as a stone that is stretched out over the great deep.
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; Matthew 13:38
(A Psalm of David.) The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods. Psalms 24:1,2
To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever. Psalm 136:6
The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen. Job 38:30
What is most important about Isaiah 40:22,
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Isaiah 40:22
is that it says circle of the earth. Stop and think for a moment. What does that mean? It means the circle of dry land.
And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:10
That means that the dry land that surrounds the circle sea,
And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. 1 Kings 7:23
that God made at creation, is the circle of the earth that is referred to. It cannot mean anything else. Antarctica is a circle of the earth around the great sea that God made at creation; and from there it extends out to the four corners of the world.
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. Revelation 7:1
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Isaiah 11:12
And it extends as dry land, with lakes and rivers (just as the rest of the land was placed above the waters at creation), because the word of God says that He gathered the seas together.
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. Genesis 1:9
The foundation of the world, is as a stone that is stretched out over the great deep.
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; Matthew 13:38
(A Psalm of David.) The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods. Psalms 24:1,2
To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever. Psalm 136:6
The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen. Job 38:30
Hungry,
And with that logic, why are you here?
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. John 19:30
My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ died on the cross for my sins around 2,000 years ago. That means it is finished. It is done. There is nothing I can do to add onto it, or to change it. God just told me to believe it. And I do. Glory to God.
But here you are, acting all high and mighty, as if the world has to be round, and who could this be that is coming around here, with scriptures, saying that the world is flat? He must not be taken literally. But I am here to tell you that I am standing up for the truth. The truth is the word of God, and I am standing up for it. And I will not back down. You don’t want to talk to me, fine. But don’t keep acting like you know for sure that the world is round, and that there is not even a need to answer me, as I should not even be taken seriously. I am standing up for the word of God, and those who believe it.
And with that logic, why are you here?
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. John 19:30
My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ died on the cross for my sins around 2,000 years ago. That means it is finished. It is done. There is nothing I can do to add onto it, or to change it. God just told me to believe it. And I do. Glory to God.
But here you are, acting all high and mighty, as if the world has to be round, and who could this be that is coming around here, with scriptures, saying that the world is flat? He must not be taken literally. But I am here to tell you that I am standing up for the truth. The truth is the word of God, and I am standing up for it. And I will not back down. You don’t want to talk to me, fine. But don’t keep acting like you know for sure that the world is round, and that there is not even a need to answer me, as I should not even be taken seriously. I am standing up for the word of God, and those who believe it.
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Dino246,
Don’t just come in here and make a statement like that. You are misleading the brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. For the past few hundred years, the body of Christ has been misled by Satan. This includes even changing their bibles today to include the word universe. That is not the truth though, as there is no universe. And for those of you that can see this truth, you must stand up for it. Christ has already paid the price for our salvation, glory to God, so there is nothing more you can do, or need to do, as if going along with a lie that you know is a lie, so you will somehow be able to complete the word of God that says that Satan fooled the whole world.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Revelation 12:9
If you know the truth, stand up for it! When the beast comes in the future, trust me, there will be many more things that he does to deceive the world. We need to encourage one another. And I am encouraging you and telling you that the world is flat.
Don’t just come in here and make a statement like that. You are misleading the brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. For the past few hundred years, the body of Christ has been misled by Satan. This includes even changing their bibles today to include the word universe. That is not the truth though, as there is no universe. And for those of you that can see this truth, you must stand up for it. Christ has already paid the price for our salvation, glory to God, so there is nothing more you can do, or need to do, as if going along with a lie that you know is a lie, so you will somehow be able to complete the word of God that says that Satan fooled the whole world.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Revelation 12:9
If you know the truth, stand up for it! When the beast comes in the future, trust me, there will be many more things that he does to deceive the world. We need to encourage one another. And I am encouraging you and telling you that the world is flat.