Jesus’ Jewishness, God and Anti-Semitism

Your post is better described as obfuscation, rather than explanation.

Jesus, the Son of man, is neither a "demonstration" nor a parable. He is God in the flesh. He is the Lamb of God, slain from the foundation of the world.

No; Jesus did not come and teach the old law. Jesus came and gave all the rules and regulations for His Last Will and Testament, and then he died and it came into force.
In Jesus' teachings, he tells us how to become an heir, and what to do to receive the inheritance.

Jesus fulfilled the old law with the purification works of the law.

All those works were about him; and when he came, he fulfilled them.

The Jews used to have to get circumcised in the flesh as a physical sign they belonged to God and were clean; now Jesus circumcises us in the heart and our sign we belong to God is that we have the Holy Spirit.

The Jews had to do special baths to wash themselves for various reasons.

Now Jesus washes us with the Word and his blood.

The Jews used to have to adhere to a special diet as a symbol of separatism; now we all can be saved, just by faith.

The Jews used to have to observe special days, those special days were about Jesus; now we observe Jesus all day every day and special day are nothing.

The Jews used to have to sacrifice animals for their blood; now Jesus is the Sacrificial Lamb of God once and for all.

The Jews used to have to go to the temple with a high priest; now Jesus is our High Priest and we become the temple.

So you see how Jesus did not nullify any of that but rather fulfilled it?

All those purification works of the law were a teaching tool about what was coming; Jesus was coming. Those purification works of the law were a shadow of Jesus. Jesus has come and we no longer have to observe shadows. There are no shadows in the Light, Jesus.

Yes rules with Emanuel as God works in the believer to both will and do his good pleasure. Interestingly he asks us to beleive without murmuring? I think to help us have a humble or soft fleshly heart that he as the Potter can form Christ in these earthen vessels (flesh and blood) .

Its interesting that he calls us as those who search the scriptures daily to see if what we hear mixing it with faith (believing God not seen) as kings like the noble Bereans in Acts. after the new manner, no longer after the Levites but after as promised in Joel all the nations of the world, after the new manner of Melchezedek, the Son of God.... he remains our high priest without beginning or end of days..

Jesus did not come to change anything,

certainly not to change his Father. The Torah (first 5 books of scripture) teaches Christ. It teaches that through prayer we go to a forgiving God with our sin and God will forgive that sin, it teaches that blood is required for this forgiveness and a heart that turns from the sin. That has not changed at all, for God is eternal. Christ repeats that it has not changed.

The duties of the High Priest has not changed, they are the same today as they were when man was first told of the Levi high priest. Christ is our high priest.

You are so correct when you say Jesus did not nullify any of that but fulfilled.

He also said that nobody goes to God except through him, but where do you draw the line between fulfilling God’s Law by loving your neighbor, and hating your neighbor contrary to God’s Law? Jesus also says in Matthew 5:44 to love your enemies. Even if the Jews were perceived as being the enemy, would it be Christian-like to not love them?

oved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.” Where in the world did God give his son? He gave him amongst the Jews. If God wanJohn 3: 16 says, “For God so lted that the world not perish, why did He not give his son among the gentiles who did not know of God at all? Why not give Jesus among the Greeks? Does the Bible have an explanation?

While it is true that Proverbs 3:5 says to trust in God with all your heart and not lean on your own understanding, Timothy 3:16 says that the Bible was breathed out by God for our training, correction, reproof and correction. But these things require that we be able to understand what the Bible is saying. So, if the Bible says that Jesus was born amongst the Jews, we may try to understand why he wasn’t born amongst the gentiles such as the Greeks or the non-Jewish Romans.

Romans 1:16 says, “For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, TO THE JEW FIRST and also to the Greek.” God may have wanted that the world be saved, but He started with the Jews. That may be because the Jews’ belief in God, the belief of the People of the Book, had gone astray, with acts such as gambling and trade in God’s House of Worship on the Sabbath. Could the world be saved if God had started with the rest of the world first, by planting Jesus among the Greeks? I guess it would be ironic if the Greeks, who were not God’s chosen people, imparted to God’s chosen people a righteous way of believing in God.

But Romans 1:16 puts the salvation of God to the Jews first before anyone else. And many of Jesus’ disciples were Jewish who learned from Jesus the power of God for salvation, and Jesus in Mark 16:15-16 commands those disciples to spread God’s Word to the rest of the world.

But between then and now, many of the gentiles who were converted saw their duty as forcing their belief in God, among the Jews. And so, these gentiles persecuted the Jews and tried forcing them to convert to their understanding of God through Jesus. That sort of makes topsy-turvy the passage of Romans 1:16. It’s as if Romans 1:16 said, ‘For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, TO THE GREEK FIRST and THEN to the JEW.’

But Romans 1:16 seems to imply that it is up to the Jew to accept God’s salvation through Jesus, not to the gentiles who became aware of God only comparatively recently. But the offspring of those who were newly converted didn’t see it that way, apparently. What motive would they have for persecuting the Jews? Did not Jesus say to love thy neighbor as thyself? Did not Jesus define a neighbor as someone who could help you? Is killing the Jews the Crusade’s way of ioving their neighbor? Are the Inquisitions of the offspring of the newly converted against the Jews their way of loving their neighbor? Is the anti-Semitism that is in the news lately the way of the offspring of the newly-converted of loving their neighbor?

And let’s be sure of Jesus command to his disciples in Mark 16:15-16. When he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, BUT WHOEVER DOES NOT BELIEVE WILL BE CONDEMNED,” did he mean that whoever does not believe, after receiving his teaching, should be tried for heresy, killed on sight, scorned, displaced, deprived, disenfranchised and ghettoized?

But what was Jesus teaching? He was teaching the Law that was given to the Jews. He says to the Jews in Matthew 5:17, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”

He also said that nobody goes to God except through him, but where do you draw the line between fulfilling God’s Law by loving your neighbor, and hating your neighbor contrary to God’s Law? Jesus also says in Matthew 5:44 to love your enemies. Even if the Jews were perceived as being the enemy, would it be Christian-like to not love them?

If God meant for the Jews to be the enemy, if such is the case, then why was Jesus born amongst them? God only knows.

Your post provides a clear explanation of what you are hoping .

And yes God in the flesh not God as the flesh.

He was used as a one time demonstration .God is not a man as us. Never was never could be.

The Son of man has a beginning and a end. Here today gone tomorrow never to return for another demonstration. The veil is rent.

We are not saved by the demonstration of that seen, but the unseen eternal substance the spirit essence of life. .

1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

How is it that after I clearly state "Jesus is not a demonstration" that you state, "He was used as a demonstration"? Did you read what I wrote? Where is the scriptural support for your statement? You certainly haven't provided any here.

Hi thanks for the reply. And yes I did read what you wrote. I simply do not agree.

The Son of man, Jesus in regard to his temporal corrupted flesh was used as a demonstration of the unseen promised work of Christ pouring out His Spirit .The actual work that he performed is in respect to the things not seen (the faith principle) "the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world". The demonstration (the flesh profiteth nothing) did not profit (as if it was Spirit, the eternal not seen.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in "demonstration" of the Spirit and of power:

You could say giving us the power to believe Him who remains without form .

Jesus was not "used" as a "demonstration" of anything. He IS God in the flesh, and His death on the cross ACTUALLY atoned for sin. There was no "unseen work"; the work was plain for all to see: actual suffering in His flesh, actual blood, actual physical death, and actual bodily resurrection. If these things are merely shadows, they are meaningless, and we are still in our sins.

Can someone please explain why the jews are called semites.
Why is it called 'anti-semitism' not 'anti-israelitism' or 'anti-christ'.

Jesus was born into the tribe of Judah. Through his earthly father, Joseph. He was born in Bethlehem Judea which is the tribes alloted land. If he'd been born in say, Egypt, would he still have a claim to the throne? Good question...does it matter WHERE we are born, or is it more important WHO our parents are?

Thanks You are blessing, reminding me why I should not of dropped out school. I hated English .I appreciate all the help I can get. I keep learning new words like phraseology .



God is not a man as us. He does not have flesh . He was not created as a beast of the field as mankind. Some faithless ones did know him after the flesh . He rejected that kind of worship and gave all honor to that which could profit the unseen His Holy Spirit. . The demonstration is over. He informs us we know him no more forever more after the flesh.(2 Corinthians 5:16) There will be no more demonstrations. The veil that represented His flesh is not repairable

It would seem you have a different way of expressing your phraseology as we study the words of a passage, we first ask what kind of literature is this passage? I believe without parables is the kind of literature needed to walk by faith. (.the unseen eternal understanding)

The Son of God, Jesus in respect to His corrupted flesh typified as sinful. was used as a demonstration of a unseen promised work of God pouring out his unseen Spirit on corrupted flesh . Christ said flesh without the Spirt profits for nothing . It was a demonstration as shadow of the eternal not seen .God is not a man as us (given a corrupted spirit)

His eternal Spirit has no beginning. Our corrupted spirit has both .a beginning and a end. I would why would god offer a dead sacrifice as a body of death? How could that profit?

1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in "demonstration" of the Spirit and of power:

What kind of context would you consider the verse above to be saying seeing you say... does not mean what I think it means? What do you think it means?

Jesus did not come to change anything, certainly not to change his Father.

How is it that after I clearly state "Jesus is not a demonstration" that you state, "He was used as a demonstration"? Did you read what I wrote? Where is the scriptural support for your statement? You certainly haven't provided any here.

I'll take this in reverse order...

1 Corinthians 2:4 is Paul talking about his evangelistic work, wherein the preaching of the gospel was accompanied by miraculous acts of the Holy Spirit, which Paul calls "a demonstration of the Spirit and of power". The verse is not talking about the death of Jesus on the cross. It is not sound interpretation to take a verse from Paul and apply it directly to the work of Jesus. The "demonstration" to which Paul referred was not the death and resurrection of Jesus, but the miraculous works that occurred in concert with Paul's ministry: the blinding of Elymas, the reviving of Eutychus, the healing of the lame man in Lystra, etc.

What kind of literature is which passage? Paul's letter is... a letter, not a parable. The gospel records of Jesus' death and resurrection are history, not parables. Honestly Garee, your insistence that the entire Scripture is "parable" leads to some odd conclusions.

It's true that Jesus will not be crucified again. That is a done deal. However, He was not merely a "demonstration"; perhaps a dictionary definition will help here...

demonstration (noun)

• the action or process of showing the existence or truth of something by giving proof or evidence.
  "it is not capable of mathematical demonstration" ·
  "Lind's demonstration that citrus fruits cure scurvy"
  synonyms:
  proof · substantiation · confirmation · affirmation · corroboration ·
  verification · validation · evidence · indication · witness · testament
  • the outward showing of feeling.
    "physical demonstrations of affection"
    synonyms:
    manifestation · indication · revelation · sign · mark · token ·
    embodiment · record · expression · evincement
• a practical exhibition and explanation of how something works or is performed.
  "a microwave cooking demonstration"
  synonyms:
  exhibition · presentation · display · illustration · exposition · teach-in ·
  demo · expo · taster

Jesus is a person, not an "action", "process", "practical exhibition" or "explanation".

Jesus mean savior, an attribute of Jehovah . It does not mean flesh or is it connected to the flesh in any way . Jesus in the person of the Son of man gave affirmation that he is the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world. The greatest demo ever.

I know enough to know what a demonstration of the real thing is.(The lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world.)

Its like a sign... "Chicago take next exit". The sign is not the destination it points ahead or back. "You have just left the city limits of Chicago". (and entered the Garee zone or what my wife calls the twilight zone). LOL

The one time demonstration is over. The promise of Isiah 53 has been fulfilled. The veil representing the flesh that could not profit is rent.

Of course he did!
The old law was not based on faith and the new law is.
No one is supposed to take an eye for an eye, a hand for a hand, a foot for a foot.
No one is supposed to have many wives and concubines.
No one is supposed to get married and divorced up to three times.
No one has to get circumcised, observe special days, and do various external baths just to be near God's Spirit; no one has to adhere to a special diet and observe special days; no one has to sacrifice animals and go to a temple.
No one has to get cut off for sinning, if they repent.

Glad you agree with that but you are wrong about Jesus not changing anything.

There was a change to that old law, see Hebrews 7:12.
Our new law is the old law with some changes.

By learning to know and understand the sameness in our creator, all three parts of our creator, we learn to know the eternal principles of God. There are people in our churches today who have created a false God through denying the principles that are eternal in the true God. Christ is one with the true God, if we only think of the changes and are blind to the sameness we falsify God.

By studying the OT and also learning the culture of the people told of there it would make some of your points clear to you. As an example, God isn't for taking out an eye. It was a saying meaning justice. We say "look before you leap" and we aren't talking of leaping any more than scripture telling us to take out an eye.