Are the Gospels written specifically to Jews only?

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When we as Gentiles impose ourselves into scripture the result can be seen now and in the History of the Church in modern times and until we can see the trees from the forest nothing will change.
....and therein you do er.
Because you think the gospels and peter/john/james were ignorant without pauls help.

Paul complimented what ALREADY WAS.
All his gospel lines up with the rest of the nt as was written by and under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit
 
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Pot < > Kettle
All 66 books inspired.
I start there.
You do not.
Your doctrine has only the pauline books as inspired.
I am way ahead,mainly because i do not have your hindering prism to unlearn.
I never started at les feldick/paul
I started with Jesus.
^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^
 

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....and therein you do er.
Because you think the gospels and peter/john/james were ignorant without pauls help.

Paul complimented what ALREADY WAS.
All his gospel lines up with the rest of the nt as was written by and under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit
Can you explain what the gospel of the kingdom is in the following passages?

Matthew 9
35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

And Jesus sends the twelve out preaching this gospel...

Matthew 10
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
 

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Yes. Ruth was a picture of the gentile bride.
The pauline modern movement is a perversion of Gods purposes.
I understand what the "Pauline" people are trying to do. I mostly agree with them.

They are right in that it *appears* that the gospel of Paul is different than the gospel preached in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

But really, the gospel in M,M,L and J, is the beginning of the understanding of the Gospel and Paul helps to expound and explain the rest of the Gospel that wasn't explained in M,M,L and J.

John 16:12-14
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
 

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I understand what the "Pauline" people are trying to do. I mostly agree with them.

They are right in that it *appears* that the gospel of Paul is different than the gospel preached in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

But really, the gospel in M,M,L and J, is the beginning of the understanding of the Gospel and Paul helps to expound and explain the rest of the Gospel that wasn't explained in M,M,L and J.

John 16:12-14
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
If it’s the same, why did Jesus need any help explaining?
 

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If it’s the same, why did Jesus need any help explaining?
Because He had many things yet to tell them that they could not bear yet to hear.

Did you just skip over the scripture I posted or did you just not understand them?

I'm not faulting you either way. I just think the scripture probably did a better job of explaining it than I did...
 

John146

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Because He had many things yet to tell them that they could not bear yet to hear.

Did you just skip over the scripture I posted or did you just not understand them?

I'm not faulting you either way. I just think the scripture probably did a better job of explaining it than I did...
So what was the gospel of the kingdom they were preaching? What was the message?
 
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It was Jesus centered. Not paul centered.
"Pauline gospel" as is reformated by modern pauline only adherants is a perversion.
It is Jesus centered of course, but its not the same gospel of the kingdom entrusted to the other 12 disciples.

Paul, the apostle to all Gentile Christians, calls the gospel of grace, the mystery that the ascended Jesus gave to him, as "my gospel". And Paul said it not once but at least three times

“In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” – Romans 2:16

“Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began…” – Romans 16:25

“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:” – 2 Timothy 2:8
 
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So what was the gospel of the kingdom they were preaching? What was the message?
The prophesied messiah was walking in their midst.
He came as saviour. He preached Himself. His mission was several-fold.
God in their midst. Kingdom of God.

The overemphasis of 2 Gospels is error.
Error by emphasis.
Gentiles were not immersed in Jewish teaching,nor were they part of Abrahamic covenant.
So they were not looking for any Jewish messiah.
Jesus came to save mankind.Hyper Pauline radicals literrally made up the paul only Gospel.
Jesus and the apostles rapidly got on the same page as is verified in acts.
 
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It is Jesus centered of course, but its not the same gospel of the kingdom entrusted to the other 12 disciples.

Paul, the apostle to all Gentile Christians, calls the gospel of grace, the mystery that the ascended Jesus gave to him, as "my gospel". And Paul said it not once but at least three times

“In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” – Romans 2:16

“Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began…” – Romans 16:25

“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:” – 2 Timothy 2:8
Pure baloney.
Test fit it with the non pauline letters.
We have a paulime radical in our mens bible study. He,like you,CENTERS on cherry picked verses.
The immediate red flags enter when "other books" are studied. He closes his bible in disgust.

See what that hyper pauline produces.
Take a look at les feldick. He can barely make a sentence without pronouncing the non pauline books as LAW. OT LAW.

SO, amazingly rediculous.

Deception is easy. Just follow the newer doctrines.
Thank God i have none of the hyper pauline error to unlearn.
Any doctrine diminishing Jesus and the bible is junk.
It even says " the law and prophets were until JTB"
Then in acts it says they were all in agreement and even says the gospel expanded to the gentiles CAME THROUGH PETER.
THE GOSPEL is salvation one way....through Jesus.
That is THE GOSPEL.
Show me anywhere Jesus or any apostle preached salvation through another person.
 
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I understand what the "Pauline" people are trying to do. I mostly agree with them.

They are right in that it *appears* that the gospel of Paul is different than the gospel preached in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

But really, the gospel in M,M,L and J, is the beginning of the understanding of the Gospel and Paul helps to expound and explain the rest of the Gospel that wasn't explained in M,M,L and J.

John 16:12-14
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
I can embrace every word of pauls gospel. It conflicts with nothing of the entire bible.
Hyper paulines claim the opposite.

Red flags galore to the 2 gospel message
 

John146

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Gentiles were not immersed in Jewish teaching,nor were they part of Abrahamic covenant.
So they were not looking for any Jewish messiah.
Jesus came to save mankind.Hyper Pauline radicals literrally made up the paul only Gospel.
Jesus and the apostles rapidly got on the same page as is verified in acts.
Exactly, that’s why it was not the same message. Gospel simply means glad tidings. The word gospel isn’t always used as a reference to eternal salvation. That’s where people are mistaken. There is only one gospel unto eternal salvation and the Apostle Paul explains it simply in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4.

The gospel, or glad tidings of the kingdom has to do with God’s promise of an earthly kingdom with the Jewish Messiah on the throne. It is a deleverance of Israel from their enemies.

Luke1
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
 
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Pure baloney.
Test fit it with the non pauline letters.
Why not calm down and examine the scriptures and account properly. Now if you believe Jesus and the 12 disciples also preached this doctrine of salvation in the 4 gospels, let's test that hypothesis by taking a look at 2 passages from Luke. First, lets look at Luke 9:6.

6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

This passage clearly states that the 12 were "preaching the gospel". But what gospel did they preach? Was it the same as what Paul said in 1 Cor? It was later on in Luke 18:33-34 that we found out

33 and after they have scourged Him, they will kill Him; and the third day He will rise again.” 34 But the disciples understood none of these things, and the meaning of this statement was hidden from them, and they did not comprehend the things that were said.

So the simple point is, "how could the Disciples be teaching Paul’s gospel of grace– the death, burial and resurrection (I Corinthians 15:1-4) if they didn’t know about the death, burial and resurrection?"

The 12 were teaching the Gospel of the Kingdom. The 12 were not wrong. They were doing what they had been told to do. They didn’t have to understand the divine exchange, all they need to do was to acknowledge that Jesus is the Messiah.
 

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Why not calm down and examine the scriptures and account properly. Now if you believe Jesus and the 12 disciples also preached this doctrine of salvation in the 4 gospels, let's test that hypothesis by taking a look at 2 passages from Luke. First, lets look at Luke 9:6.

6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

This passage clearly states that the 12 were "preaching the gospel". But what gospel did they preach? Was it the same as what Paul said in 1 Cor? It was later on in Luke 18:33-34 that we found out

33 and after they have scourged Him, they will kill Him; and the third day He will rise again.” 34 But the disciples understood none of these things, and the meaning of this statement was hidden from them, and they did not comprehend the things that were said.

So the simple point is, "how could the Disciples be teaching Paul’s gospel of grace– the death, burial and resurrection (I Corinthians 15:1-4) if they didn’t know about the death, burial and resurrection?"

The 12 were teaching the Gospel of the Kingdom. The 12 were not wrong. They were doing what they had been told to do. They didn’t have to understand the divine exchange, all they need to do was to acknowledge that Jesus is the Messiah.
At the time the disciples preached it, that was the entirety of the Gospel and they preached it.

The Death, Burial and Resurrection of Christ hadn't happened yet. But when it did it was explained and expounded by Paul.

They are not 2 different gospels. They are one complete gospel.
 
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Why not calm down and examine the scriptures and account properly. Now if you believe Jesus and the 12 disciples also preached this doctrine of salvation in the 4 gospels, let's test that hypothesis by taking a look at 2 passages from Luke. First, lets look at Luke 9:6.

6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

This passage clearly states that the 12 were "preaching the gospel". But what gospel did they preach? Was it the same as what Paul said in 1 Cor? It was later on in Luke 18:33-34 that we found out

33 and after they have scourged Him, they will kill Him; and the third day He will rise again.” 34 But the disciples understood none of these things, and the meaning of this statement was hidden from them, and they did not comprehend the things that were said.

So the simple point is, "how could the Disciples be teaching Paul’s gospel of grace– the death, burial and resurrection (I Corinthians 15:1-4) if they didn’t know about the death, burial and resurrection?"

The 12 were teaching the Gospel of the Kingdom. The 12 were not wrong. They were doing what they had been told to do. They didn’t have to understand the divine exchange, all they need to do was to acknowledge that Jesus is the Messiah.
Paul said " we preach Jesus and him crucified"
The good news is a person not a segment from the latest pauline only teaching.
Jesus is the good news.

Please do show me where Jesus,or the non pauline books preached a different Jesus.
Show me when you calm down.
 
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Why not calm down and examine the scriptures and account properly. Now if you believe Jesus and the 12 disciples also preached this doctrine of salvation in the 4 gospels, let's test that hypothesis by taking a look at 2 passages from Luke. First, lets look at Luke 9:6.

6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

This passage clearly states that the 12 were "preaching the gospel". But what gospel did they preach? Was it the same as what Paul said in 1 Cor? It was later on in Luke 18:33-34 that we found out

33 and after they have scourged Him, they will kill Him; and the third day He will rise again.” 34 But the disciples understood none of these things, and the meaning of this statement was hidden from them, and they did not comprehend the things that were said.

So the simple point is, "how could the Disciples be teaching Paul’s gospel of grace– the death, burial and resurrection (I Corinthians 15:1-4) if they didn’t know about the death, burial and resurrection?"

The 12 were teaching the Gospel of the Kingdom. The 12 were not wrong. They were doing what they had been told to do. They didn’t have to understand the divine exchange, all they need to do was to acknowledge that Jesus is the Messiah.
Jesus said " lest you be born again,you can not enter the kingdom of God"

How is that a different doctrine????

What is your goal in disenfranchising half the nt?
 
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At the time the disciples preached it, that was the entirety of the Gospel and they preached it.

The Death, Burial and Resurrection of Christ hadn't happened yet. But when it did it was explained and expounded by Paul.

They are not 2 different gospels. They are one complete gospel.
Not only that,but Jesus himself preached "the son of man must be handed over to gentiles and beaten and crucified,but he shall rise the 3rd day"

The 2 gospel adherants leave little things like that out
 
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It is Jesus centered of course, but its not the same gospel of the kingdom entrusted to the other 12 disciples.

Paul, the apostle to all Gentile Christians, calls the gospel of grace, the mystery that the ascended Jesus gave to him, as "my gospel". And Paul said it not once but at least three times

“In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” – Romans 2:16

“Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began…” – Romans 16:25

“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:” – 2 Timothy 2:8
No.
Jesus himself preached DBR.
And then in acts we see Peter,before Paul,was given the revelation of the gentiles grafted in.

The gospels give the account of DBR

PSSSSST;
That is where we go to get that doctrine of DBR.
(The doctrine you claim is solely of Paul)

Again show be where the nt instructs of a different Jesus for salvation
(2nd gospel)
 

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Exactly, that’s why it was not the same message. Gospel simply means glad tidings. The word gospel isn’t always used as a reference to eternal salvation. That’s where people are mistaken. There is only one gospel unto eternal salvation and the Apostle Paul explains it simply in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4.

The gospel, or glad tidings of the kingdom has to do with God’s promise of an earthly kingdom with the Jewish Messiah on the throne. It is a deleverance of Israel from their enemies.

Luke1
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
You are correct that the principal aim of the gospel message is about the Kingdom of God coming to earth and deliverance for physical and spiritual Israel. But to say there is a different gospel is where you err. Certainly, the life, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus is part of that message but not all.

Christianity has lost sight of that message and been given a counterfeit. What is the hope of the human race? Why did God create us with a desire of everlasting life and then seem to make it impossible find? These are questions that Jesus addressed in His messages. We have turned His message and made it only about Him. That is why we have no answers for those not called. :):cool: