Some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God
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Daniel 9:25 is about the "FROM _____ UNTO the Messiah the prince" is a certain length of time (noted in the text). This landed precisely on Palm Sunday (when Jesus said the Lk19:41-44 words, and did the Zech9:9 thing, both having to do specifically with "Jerusalem"/"the city" which is what the prophecy in Dan9:25 regarding the "Weeks" speaks to).
"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself [or, and have nothing]". This was next in the SEQUENCE.
The rest of the passage is also SEQUENTIAL:
--"the people [OF the prince THAT SHALL COME] do the "destroy the city and the sanctuary" thing (not in 32ad, of course
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--then (AFTER THAT) the NEXT thing in the SEQUENCE is: "the prince THAT SHALL COME" [superfluous words, here, IF referring to the same one as in v.25!] (correlating with the "whose COMING/advent/arrival/presence/parousia" 2Th2:9a of "the man of sin" IN HIS TIME; the INITIAL "birth PANG [singular]" of Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE'," aka SEAL #1 at the START of the 7-yr trib: who does the "FOR ONE WEEK [7-yr]" thing, per Dan9:27[26])--The "he,he,he" of Dan9:27[26] is the "who,who,who ['whose,who,whom']" of 2Th2:9a,4,8, which passage/chpt is ALSO covering the ENTIRE "7-yr period" [not merely 3.5y]; and several other passages...)
Will post some info from a writer in the following post (I may have posted before) regarding the timing issues of the first point (above)...
"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself [or, and have nothing]". This was next in the SEQUENCE.
The rest of the passage is also SEQUENTIAL:
--"the people [OF the prince THAT SHALL COME] do the "destroy the city and the sanctuary" thing (not in 32ad, of course
)--then (AFTER THAT) the NEXT thing in the SEQUENCE is: "the prince THAT SHALL COME" [superfluous words, here, IF referring to the same one as in v.25!] (correlating with the "whose COMING/advent/arrival/presence/parousia" 2Th2:9a of "the man of sin" IN HIS TIME; the INITIAL "birth PANG [singular]" of Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE'," aka SEAL #1 at the START of the 7-yr trib: who does the "FOR ONE WEEK [7-yr]" thing, per Dan9:27[26])--The "he,he,he" of Dan9:27[26] is the "who,who,who ['whose,who,whom']" of 2Th2:9a,4,8, which passage/chpt is ALSO covering the ENTIRE "7-yr period" [not merely 3.5y]; and several other passages...)
Will post some info from a writer in the following post (I may have posted before) regarding the timing issues of the first point (above)...
[got knocked offline and semi-computer-crashed before I could post the next thing... but here it is now]
Regarding the first point in my post above ^ :
[quoting that writer]
"69 weeks connect the Nisan moon of Nehemiah to the Nisan moon of Palm Sunday and the Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ. No one has presented a timeline that fits the facts so well and with a timeline fitting the dates involved with such fine accuracy."
--Endtime Pilgrim - http://endtimepilgrim.org/70wks8.htm
[caveat--this is not to say I agree with everything at this site]
"And 33 A.D. was not the year of the passion of Jesus. This long and lanky time span of 476 solar years and those extra 25 days does not connect into both Nisan moons for the years in question. Clearly the time span 444 B.C. to 33 A.D. is one year too late. Only the time line 445 B.C. to 32 A.D. fits the facts."
--Endtime Pilgrim [same caveat as above]
"Here are the facts of the matter. Only the year 32 A.D fits the bill. Timespans terminating in 30 A.D., 31 A.D., 33 A.D. or 34 A.D. just won’t cut it. Timespans ending in 31 A.D. and 33 A.D. land in Nisan months that occur too early in the year to fit the 173,880 days. And these timelines actually begin in embolismal years. So they start late. These make for Nisan to Nisan timelines that are too short. They are not long enough to fit in the required number of days for the 69 weeks(sevens) of years. Timespans other than the timespan which terminates in 32 A.D. simply cannot accommodate this long 173,880 day period which overflows 25 days beyond the 476 years.
"We can see that only the timespan #2, beginning in the year 445 B.C. and terminating in 32 A.D. will fit. This is the timespan advanced by Sir Robert Anderson in his classic work, ‘The Coming Prince’. Only this timeline will succeed in connecting into two Nisan moons, the beginning Nisan moon being the one for Nehemiah and the ending Nisan moon being the one for the Passover of our Lord’s crucifixion."
--Gavin Finley M.D. , http://oneyahweh.com/w/index.php/2009/03/12/32-a-d-was-the-crucifixion-year/ ...[endtime pilgrim; Caveat: this is not an endorsement of all of his writings]
[end of quoting that writer; bold and underline mine]
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Calendar Facts:
--29AD does have Adar2
--32AD does have Adar2
--35AD does have Adar2
--no other surrounding years have Adar2
Regarding the first point in my post above ^ :
[quoting that writer]
"69 weeks connect the Nisan moon of Nehemiah to the Nisan moon of Palm Sunday and the Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ. No one has presented a timeline that fits the facts so well and with a timeline fitting the dates involved with such fine accuracy."
--Endtime Pilgrim - http://endtimepilgrim.org/70wks8.htm
[caveat--this is not to say I agree with everything at this site]
"And 33 A.D. was not the year of the passion of Jesus. This long and lanky time span of 476 solar years and those extra 25 days does not connect into both Nisan moons for the years in question. Clearly the time span 444 B.C. to 33 A.D. is one year too late. Only the time line 445 B.C. to 32 A.D. fits the facts."
--Endtime Pilgrim [same caveat as above]
"Here are the facts of the matter. Only the year 32 A.D fits the bill. Timespans terminating in 30 A.D., 31 A.D., 33 A.D. or 34 A.D. just won’t cut it. Timespans ending in 31 A.D. and 33 A.D. land in Nisan months that occur too early in the year to fit the 173,880 days. And these timelines actually begin in embolismal years. So they start late. These make for Nisan to Nisan timelines that are too short. They are not long enough to fit in the required number of days for the 69 weeks(sevens) of years. Timespans other than the timespan which terminates in 32 A.D. simply cannot accommodate this long 173,880 day period which overflows 25 days beyond the 476 years.
"We can see that only the timespan #2, beginning in the year 445 B.C. and terminating in 32 A.D. will fit. This is the timespan advanced by Sir Robert Anderson in his classic work, ‘The Coming Prince’. Only this timeline will succeed in connecting into two Nisan moons, the beginning Nisan moon being the one for Nehemiah and the ending Nisan moon being the one for the Passover of our Lord’s crucifixion."
--Gavin Finley M.D. , http://oneyahweh.com/w/index.php/2009/03/12/32-a-d-was-the-crucifixion-year/ ...[endtime pilgrim; Caveat: this is not an endorsement of all of his writings]
[end of quoting that writer; bold and underline mine]
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Calendar Facts:
--29AD does have Adar2
--32AD does have Adar2
--35AD does have Adar2
--no other surrounding years have Adar2
You're claim that verses 27 and 28 are two different events is refuted by Scripture and Jesus' own words. Here are the verses:
Matt 16: 27-28, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. 28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
In the NKJV it uses the phrase, "assuredly, I say to you" a total of 76 times.
In the KJV it uses the phrase, "verily, I say unto you" a total of 69 times.
In the NASB it uses the phrase, "truly, I say to you" a total of 77 times.
In the ESV it uses the phrase, "truly, I say to you" a total of 72 times.
EVERY TIME that phrase is used it always links what was said before with what follows that phrase. There are no exceptions.
This is undeniable proof that verses 27 and 28 of Matthew 16 are talking about the same event. One event.
Your claim that verse 27 is a separate event from verse 28 is proven false by Jesus and Scripture.
Matt 16: 27-28, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. 28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
In the NKJV it uses the phrase, "assuredly, I say to you" a total of 76 times.
In the KJV it uses the phrase, "verily, I say unto you" a total of 69 times.
In the NASB it uses the phrase, "truly, I say to you" a total of 77 times.
In the ESV it uses the phrase, "truly, I say to you" a total of 72 times.
EVERY TIME that phrase is used it always links what was said before with what follows that phrase. There are no exceptions.
This is undeniable proof that verses 27 and 28 of Matthew 16 are talking about the same event. One event.
Your claim that verse 27 is a separate event from verse 28 is proven false by Jesus and Scripture.
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The point I am trying to emphasize with my previous post #185 is that the church needs to start accepting what the Scripture says.
Just because people don't understand something doesn't invalidate what the Scripture says. Jesus says in multiple passages that He is returning in His generation and He did in 70 A.D. at the fall of Jerusalem. That was the second coming. The resurrection and judgment happened in the spiritual realm and that is why it is not recorded because nobody living would have seen it.
The sooner the church understands this the better the chance we have to persuade unbelievers about the truth of Scripture. Jesus kept His promise in Matt 16: 27-28 to return in His generation with His kingdom.
Just because people don't understand something doesn't invalidate what the Scripture says. Jesus says in multiple passages that He is returning in His generation and He did in 70 A.D. at the fall of Jerusalem. That was the second coming. The resurrection and judgment happened in the spiritual realm and that is why it is not recorded because nobody living would have seen it.
The sooner the church understands this the better the chance we have to persuade unbelievers about the truth of Scripture. Jesus kept His promise in Matt 16: 27-28 to return in His generation with His kingdom.
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"Matt 16: 27, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. "
Matt.16:28, "Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
Matt.16:27 is regarding the Lord's return to end the age. While verse 28 is in reference to those who were standing there (Peter, John and James) who would get a sneak peek of the kingdom of God, i.e. the Lord in His glorified state.
The ginormic problem that you have with verse 27 as being fulfilled, is that the Lord's return is one of the major events to take place in human history. When the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, all of the inhabitants of the earth will see Him arriving on the clouds of heaven with His angels. And according to Rev.17:14, 19:6-8, 14, His church (called, chosen and faithful followers) will also return with Him to end the age.
At the time of His return, He will send out His angels and according to the parable in Matt.13, they will first go throughout the entire earth and gather the wicked to be burned in the fire. Then they will gather the wheat (surviving great tribulation saints).
Regarding this event, according to Rev.19::17-18, as the Lord is returning and the church with Him, an angel will call all the birds of the air to gather the birds/vultures to the great supper of God to eat the flesh of the wicked who will have been gathered by the angels, whom the Lord will kill with that double-edge sword which will proceed from His mouth. And prior to that, all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will have taken place, decimating the majority of the earths population and dismantling all human government.
So, your ginormic problem is that, not one of those events have taken place in order to claim that Peter, John and James saw the Lord's return to end the age before they died. Therefore, verse 28 is in reference to them getting a sneak peek of Jesus in His glorified state, i.e. the "the Son of Man coming in His glory."
Anyone who claims that Jesus has already returned to end the age doesn't know what he/she is talking about. And that because of the prementioned and because this age is still in operation. When the end of the age takes place, one of the events which will take place is that, nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. Has this taken place? No! Not only that, but when the Lord does return, He will establish His millennial kingdom and rule from the throne of king David in Jerusalem. Has that happened? No!
None of the events which must take place before or after the Lord's return have taken place and that is the big problem with that false teaching.
"Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth c will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other." - Matt.24:30-31
"Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen." - Revelation 1:7
Anyone who is claiming that the Lord has already returned to end the age, are ignorant of the significance of the Lord's return to end the age and the events leading up to it. It's ridiculous to even claim that one of the biggest events in the history of mankind, the return of the Lord to end the age, has already taken place!
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And I keep telling you and others, that "this generation" is directly linked to all of those signs that Jesus listed, which haven't taken place yet. No human being saw Jesus and the angels returning when the temple was destroyed! There is no recording of this, not to mention that this current age would already be over and we would now be living in the eternal state.
Well, people would have surely noticed the big number of people missing from the earth if the resurrection had taken place. Jesus' first appearing in the flesh as a human being, was physical. When He returns to end the age, He will return in that same resurrected body and the church with Him and every eye will see Him. When the resurrection takes place, the entire church, dead and living will be gathered. Consequently, the church is still in the process of being built. If the resurrection had already taken place, the majority of the church would have been left out of the Lord's promise.
Why don't you people consider all of the scriptures regarding this event and the events leading up to it, instead of trying to force fulfillment of it by twisting the scriptures? When Jesus returns to the earth, that's it! This will be the fulfillment of when the Rock cut out of the mountain will become a huge mountain and fill the entire earth, which is referring to His millennial kingdom.
Well, people would have surely noticed the big number of people missing from the earth if the resurrection had taken place. Jesus' first appearing in the flesh as a human being, was physical. When He returns to end the age, He will return in that same resurrected body and the church with Him and every eye will see Him. When the resurrection takes place, the entire church, dead and living will be gathered. Consequently, the church is still in the process of being built. If the resurrection had already taken place, the majority of the church would have been left out of the Lord's promise.
Why don't you people consider all of the scriptures regarding this event and the events leading up to it, instead of trying to force fulfillment of it by twisting the scriptures? When Jesus returns to the earth, that's it! This will be the fulfillment of when the Rock cut out of the mountain will become a huge mountain and fill the entire earth, which is referring to His millennial kingdom.
I believe that the scriptures to teach that the Kingdom of God is the church that Jesus established. The church in the scriptures is called my many other names as well, such as, the church of the first born, the church in the wilderness, the church of God, the new Jerusalem, and more. Christ is the husband of his kingdom, also the king and high priest. The church that he set up shall never perish and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her. There will always be a witness to Christ.
So I just provided evidence from the Scripture, in post #185, that refutes your claim so you decide to turn around and repost it. Why? Do you think it is going to make your claim true somehow? By reposting it again?
The "ginormic" problem you have is you don't understand the nature of His second coming. It was spiritual. Not a visible event. The only sense in which it was "visible" was you could see Jerusalem being destroyed by Roman armies (God's armies).
Luke 17: 20-21 say that His kingdom comes without observation. It's within you. It's spiritual. Futurists, like yourself, keep denying this and want a "visible" second coming that Jesus said is never coming.
It is you who don't know what you are talking about. You have no answer for Matt 16: 27-28 and it destroys your dispensationalism. There are many other passages, like the Olivet Discourses in Matthew, Mark and Luke, as well as Matt 10: 17-23, that all say the same thing. Jesus is coming back (the second coming) was in His generation. You simply won't accept what those passages say.
We also already went over the fact that the transfiguration does not qualify for fulfillment of Matt 16: 27-28. Every man was not rewarded according to his deeds. So please stop trying to claim that fulfills it.
The "ginormic" problem you have is you don't understand the nature of His second coming. It was spiritual. Not a visible event. The only sense in which it was "visible" was you could see Jerusalem being destroyed by Roman armies (God's armies).
Luke 17: 20-21 say that His kingdom comes without observation. It's within you. It's spiritual. Futurists, like yourself, keep denying this and want a "visible" second coming that Jesus said is never coming.
It is you who don't know what you are talking about. You have no answer for Matt 16: 27-28 and it destroys your dispensationalism. There are many other passages, like the Olivet Discourses in Matthew, Mark and Luke, as well as Matt 10: 17-23, that all say the same thing. Jesus is coming back (the second coming) was in His generation. You simply won't accept what those passages say.
We also already went over the fact that the transfiguration does not qualify for fulfillment of Matt 16: 27-28. Every man was not rewarded according to his deeds. So please stop trying to claim that fulfills it.
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The end of the age happened at the fall of Jerusalem. All people were gathered into Christ. There is no longer Jew or Gentile as Paul said. That is nation not battling nation anymore, in Christ. It is a spiritual fulfillment.
Jesus said that it would happen in His generation. You are denying Jesus' words and trying to move it to a final generation.
Jesus uses the Greek word "Genea" 25 times in the New Testament. Every time, with no exceptions, it refers to His contemporaries when you read the context. You won't accept what the Scripture says on it.
People did see Him coming SPIRITUALLY through the Roman armies. Josephus also records chariots and other phenomenon taking place in the skies over Jerusalem during the siege. This verse is not about seeing Him ride the clouds like a surfboard down to earth.
In Daniel 7: 13-14 when Jesus approaches the Ancient of Days on clouds do you think those clouds are cumulous clouds? Clouds represent the angelic host in Scripture. Not literal clouds.
Jesus said that it would happen in His generation. You are denying Jesus' words and trying to move it to a final generation.
Jesus uses the Greek word "Genea" 25 times in the New Testament. Every time, with no exceptions, it refers to His contemporaries when you read the context. You won't accept what the Scripture says on it.
People did see Him coming SPIRITUALLY through the Roman armies. Josephus also records chariots and other phenomenon taking place in the skies over Jerusalem during the siege. This verse is not about seeing Him ride the clouds like a surfboard down to earth.
In Daniel 7: 13-14 when Jesus approaches the Ancient of Days on clouds do you think those clouds are cumulous clouds? Clouds represent the angelic host in Scripture. Not literal clouds.
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No they wouldn't have. Paul tells us in 1 Cor 15 that what is sown a natural body is raised a spiritual body. Can you see spirits? The resurrection happened in 70 A.D. just like MANY Scriptures in the New and Old testament said it would happen at that time.
People who were living at the time were not "raptured". That is a false teaching that came along with dispensationalism.
I do consider all the Scriptures. When you do it leads to the inevitable conclusions I have presented. It is dispensationalism/futurism that will not accept all the Scriptures.
Dispensationalism twists "this generation" and says that all the times Jesus used it don't apply. That it is somehow a "final generation" in the Olivet Discourse. This is a denial of what Jesus said.
The fulfillment of the Rock cut out without hands does not happen at the "end of the world" like you are claiming. Here is when it happened:
Daniel 2: 44, "And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed..."
That was the first century during the Roman empire. This was Daniel's explanation to Nebuchadnezzar about the statue dream he had.
People who were living at the time were not "raptured". That is a false teaching that came along with dispensationalism.
I do consider all the Scriptures. When you do it leads to the inevitable conclusions I have presented. It is dispensationalism/futurism that will not accept all the Scriptures.
Dispensationalism twists "this generation" and says that all the times Jesus used it don't apply. That it is somehow a "final generation" in the Olivet Discourse. This is a denial of what Jesus said.
The fulfillment of the Rock cut out without hands does not happen at the "end of the world" like you are claiming. Here is when it happened:
Daniel 2: 44, "And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed..."
That was the first century during the Roman empire. This was Daniel's explanation to Nebuchadnezzar about the statue dream he had.
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Question here: How many abominations of desolations are there?
Atleast two, since one happened before Jesus was even born, Antiochus Epiphanes (or however his name is written).
Thats one down, but the book of Daniel mentions it three times:
Daniel 12:11-13 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
To me this proves that its related to END TIMES. But I want to know: Is this abomination the same one as in Daniel 9:27, or a separate one? What about the one mentioned in Daniel 11?
Anyhow: Here is some comedy, this is how WEIRD some commentators from the 1800s are, in their views, this is John Gill's commentary on Daniel 12:11:
"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away,.... This is in part an answer to the above questions, as they relate to the end of things: some dates are given, by which it might in general be known when and how these things would end: and these dates begin with the removal of the daily sacrifice; that is, the doctrine of atonement and satisfaction for sin by the sacrifice of Christ, the antitype of the daily sacrifice under the law; this was taken away by antichrist, when he got to his height; when he established the doctrine of works, and opposed the merits of men to the merits of Christ, and his own pardons, indulgences, penances, &c. to the satisfaction of Christ:"
^Wow.... you wanna talk about whipping things out of thin air! How this ever got a pass I DONT KNOW!
Atleast two, since one happened before Jesus was even born, Antiochus Epiphanes (or however his name is written).
Thats one down, but the book of Daniel mentions it three times:
Daniel 12:11-13 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
To me this proves that its related to END TIMES. But I want to know: Is this abomination the same one as in Daniel 9:27, or a separate one? What about the one mentioned in Daniel 11?
Anyhow: Here is some comedy, this is how WEIRD some commentators from the 1800s are, in their views, this is John Gill's commentary on Daniel 12:11:
"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away,.... This is in part an answer to the above questions, as they relate to the end of things: some dates are given, by which it might in general be known when and how these things would end: and these dates begin with the removal of the daily sacrifice; that is, the doctrine of atonement and satisfaction for sin by the sacrifice of Christ, the antitype of the daily sacrifice under the law; this was taken away by antichrist, when he got to his height; when he established the doctrine of works, and opposed the merits of men to the merits of Christ, and his own pardons, indulgences, penances, &c. to the satisfaction of Christ:"
^Wow.... you wanna talk about whipping things out of thin air! How this ever got a pass I DONT KNOW!
When is the "end times" or "last days" in Scripture? How does Scripture define it?
Acts 2: 15-17, "For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh..."
Hebrews 1: 2, "Has in these last days spoken to us by His Son..."
James 5: 3, "Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days."
1 Peter 4: 7, "But the end of all things is at hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers."
The last days was during the apostles' generation. When people say that the last days have been going on for 2,000 years it is being dishonest with the Scripture. Nobody who is unbiased would agree to that interpretation.
I think he might be referring to the catholic church since he mentions "pardons, indulgences and penances". It was common among the reformers to think that the pope was the antichrist/man of sin and John Gill lived not long after them.
Acts 2: 15-17, "For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh..."
Hebrews 1: 2, "Has in these last days spoken to us by His Son..."
James 5: 3, "Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days."
1 Peter 4: 7, "But the end of all things is at hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers."
The last days was during the apostles' generation. When people say that the last days have been going on for 2,000 years it is being dishonest with the Scripture. Nobody who is unbiased would agree to that interpretation.
I think he might be referring to the catholic church since he mentions "pardons, indulgences and penances". It was common among the reformers to think that the pope was the antichrist/man of sin and John Gill lived not long after them.
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If I had 5 bucks for every time a futurist insulted me for my eschatological views I would be able to buy myself a lot of nice dinners by now.
I notice most of the time, like this one, it is an emotional reaction with no Scripture presented. How about accepting what Scripture says instead of rejecting it because you don't like it.
I notice most of the time, like this one, it is an emotional reaction with no Scripture presented. How about accepting what Scripture says instead of rejecting it because you don't like it.
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If I had 5 bucks for every time a futurist insulted me for my eschatological views I would be able to buy myself a lot of nice dinners by now.
I notice most of the time, like this one, it is an emotional reaction with no Scripture presented. How about accepting what Scripture says instead of rejecting it because you don't like it.
I notice most of the time, like this one, it is an emotional reaction with no Scripture presented. How about accepting what Scripture says instead of rejecting it because you don't like it.