You don’t Serve God if you don’t....

Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other, Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

What Jesus says is working for money and serving God is not possible. Yes I am saying if you work for a paycheck and you say you serve God, you are disobeying what Jesus says. Jesus says...in Luke 12:22-34

Do Not Worry or Be Fearful
And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what he shall eat; neither for the body, what he shall put on. The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment. Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls? And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take thought for the rest?

To explain Luke 12:22-26
The ravens don’t have jobs or houses, yet God provides everything they need, aren’t you worth much more than these creatures? And who can add more years to themselves? Or there life? Why worry about such things when you can’t even do anything about the least of all these? (Food, shelter, clothes).

Luke 12:27-31 (Continued)
Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and tomorrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith? And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind. For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. But rather seek first the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.

I believe Jesus makes it very clear on what we need to do as Christians, stop serving money (stop working for money, quit your job) stop worrying where your going to get your next meal, or where you are going to sleep, Jesus says the world worry’s about such things, you are not supposed to be a part of this world. Stop relying on money, using money is ok, but working for it is not. Stop putting your faith in a worldly system and preach the Gospel full time, listen to Jesus.

The second to last verse Luke 12:33
Sell what you have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

Do you see what Jesus is saying? Every single Christian did what Jesus commands. There was no special person who didn’t sell all and leave everything, preaching the gospel 24/7. Your job is to preach his word, and he gives you the essentials you need. 1 Timothy 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. Jesus was never a carpenter the only verse you can see is his father being a carpenter in Mark 6:3. Jesus started preaching when he was 12 Year’s old according to scripture, in Luke 42-49. He never served (work for) money, he did use money though, his treasurer was Judas (the one who betrayed him).


Definition of Forsaketh according to Jesus is found in all the gospels, but I am going to use Mark 10:17-21 for this claim.

And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

The definition is clear consistently through all 4 of the gospels. The Word of God has spoken and commands this as a requirement to inherit eternal life with him. Jesus Christ has the ultimate authority in the Bible, the Old Testament does not teach us how to live as Christ did, that is why the New Testament (Jesus Christ’s teachings more importantly) applies to us, hence forth New Testament. Notice Jesus told him he LACKED one thing, now you can say this only applies to the rich man, but that is a lie. It applies to everyone that truly loves Jesus. In the rest of the scripture, right around Luke 14:33 Jesus addressed the entire multitude of people, rich and poor, women, children all kinds of people. Here it is.


-The Cost of Discipleship- Luke 14:25-27
And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Reflecting of Luke 14:33-Acts 2:45-47 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man hath need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Reflecting of Luke 14:33 again, Matthew 13:44-46

-The Treasure and the Goodly Pearl-
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

These are the commands of Jesus in a parable, the man sold everything to inherit eternal life. Now I have heard the arguments against what Jesus commands, the biggest one is people want to point to Paul and say he has a higher authority than God in the flesh and they say, “Paul worked as a tent maker!” So sense he worked for money it’s ok. Really? I would recommend that you only follow Jesus and what he says. But let’s take a look at this argument.

Acts 18:3-5
And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by there occupation they were tentmakers. And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ. And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

Paul worked at making tents with a couple other Jews while preaching the gospel, but reading it in the entire context, two other disciples came along and he was pricked in his spirit and decided to leave to preach the Gospel full time once again. Now this passage does not say he labored (worked, served) for money, all it says was he was creating tents, even if he did work for money, he left to preach to the Gentiles after he realized he was in the wrong.

Another passage of scripture people use as a excuse to not obey Jesus is....
1 Timothy 5:8
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

This is taking scripture out of context, the title of this section of verses is called...
-Provisions for Widows-
Verses 5:1-10 the last verse says “Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she has longed strangers, if she have washed the saints’ feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.

Let’s compare Jesus teachings with 1 Timothy 5:10, then we can understand what 5:8 means.
“Brought up children”...- Matthew 18:5 “And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.”’ “If she hath lodged strangers”...Luke 14:13 “But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind. (The first Christians utilized money to rent a place or stayed at someone else’s place if invited in. Matthew 10:14). “If she have washed the saints’ feet”-Matthew 22:32 “But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren” (I believe this applies to every follower of Jesus, that we should strengthen each other). “If she have relieved the afflicted,”...Mark 16:17 “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues.”

This explains that Timothy was simply obeying Jesus Christ’s commands, including the widows. Now 1 Timothy 5:8 is saying work as in working to build Jesus Christ’s kingdom, working serving Jesus and obeying his commands. When you deny the faith, what it is really saying is your denying that God will provide all your needs when preaching the word. If you don’t have faith in what Jesus says, how in the world do you believe he’s going to resurrect you from the dead? There is no room for Luke warm Christians. You either listen to Jesus or you will be grinded to powder. Jesus says they would reject the corner stone of his teachings. This is essentiall and required by every follower of Christ. FORSAKETH ALL!

I hope God leads me to at least one individual that’s hears his word.

Mark 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear

Can you supply a scripture (or two) that tells us God's expectation of us is to "work FOR God" [or, as you have it, "working FOR God"]?

You should not work for money, you should work for Jesus preaching the Word,(Matthew 6:19-24) take no thought for your life (Matthew 25-34) healing the sick, casting out devils. (Luke 7:22, Luke 9:6) Because if you work for both you will hate one and love the other. (Matthew 6:24) Don’t worry about food and clothing, where you are going to get them (Matthew 25).

I have in fact traveled preaching the Gospel in Houston by myself and all I did was preached out of the Old Testament in front of a store and I was approached by someone who offered me food and shelter and paid for it in full. I had little money. I hitch hiked there with no plans, and God kept me safe -and provided what was needed. This is what Jesus commands everyone who loves him to do to inherit eternal life.

I believe you are wrong in stating that working for money makes it your idol. Putting anything before God makes it your idol, if your number one drive in life is to make money than yes it’s your idol.
In the very begging God says in Gen 3:17,
To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.
In the end ONLY God judges not man.
Matthew 7
Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. ...

Well u know that person who gave u the food and shelter had to work for that money..

I'm 90% with you on this JesusOnly777, and I admire your zeal.

But I don't have land to grow my own food or a fishing boat to catch my own fish.

And, so far, God hasn't put it in my hands to provide for myself by preaching a gospel anyone can get for free on the internet now.
And, in my mind, for me to quit my job and expect God to catch me before I hit the ground would be like throwing myself off the temple and expecting Him to send angels.

So I trade my effort in return for money, which in turn I then trade for food and clothing and shelter and other essentials and, regrettably, beer .
I live pay-check to pay-check.

And God doesn't put the food at the bird's feet but they have to work for it, hunting and gathering, which I imagine keeps them happy-busy.

To me my job is just another chore I have to do in order to sustain myself precisely so that I can preach the gospel.

And so I believe that as long as you only use money as a system of exchange to provide for your basic needs like food and clothing then you haven't sinned.
But, as soon as it becomes more than that, then I agree that you would have become its servant.

I struggle to make ends meet, mostly because of my own foolishness, but should I achieve more stability and start to have a surplus after my basic needs are met each month then I intend to devote it to bringing the bread of life to those who don't even know they're hungry yet.

Working along side others is a great opportunity to preach the gospel to them by your behavior as well as your words. If you have the Light in you, they should see something different.

Brother I gave many many verses to support my claim (Jesus claim to be precise) and your defense is saying you don’t agree with what Jesus commands and you give me a Old Tastament verse to go against what Jesus said, The Word of God (Revelation 19:11-13). The Old Testament deos not overthrow the New, it’s actually the opposite. Listen to what Jesus says. You won’t have any excuses when faced with your creator.

Peace be apon you.

I hope you can see what Jesus is saying brother, you can’t work for money and God at the same time (Matthew 6:24). Think about that verse, and think for yourself and ask Jesus wholeheartedly if that’s what he really meant. right after Mt 6:24, he says don’t worry about where you are going to get food, drink or clothes (6:25-26). Money is what people put there faith in, not God, money keeps you enslaved in the worldly system. A house payment, car, loans, monthly bills, education, even missionary work requires money now (which to me is crazy). So called Christians have worked more for the dollar bill in there life, than actually preaching the good news. You don’t need money to share the gospel, Jesus is prove of that. So are the early Christians in Acts 2:45-47, Acts 4:32. They all sold everything they had, (Luke 4:11, Luke 4:33, Luke 5:11) and shared everything with one another. Brother don’t you think how amazing of a witness it would be just to be content with food and clothing (1 Timothy 6:8-9)?

Anyways I am glad you see what Jesus is saying partially, its hard to think of being homeless or not having a monthly income to support yourself in the 21st century, but I have done this myself and God has provided everything when I went out to Houston and preached. Didn’t pay for anything. Test Jesus on his Word, go out with no purse or food and just preach the 4 gospels and you will see he does provide.

Peace be with you brother.

I believe you are wrong in stating that working for money makes it your idol. Putting anything before God makes it your idol, if your number one drive in life is to make money than yes it’s your idol.
In the very begging God says in Gen 3:17,
To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.
In the end ONLY God judges not man.
Matthew 7
Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. ...

So you disagree with what God said in genesis about painful toil we will eat from the the ground?
In genesis 3:16 it says that women shall have severe pain in child birth, that still happens today.
What’s your thoughts on tithing?
You are making some very bold statements about working for money and that anyone who does it’s their idol.
I and others have put up scripture supporting against what you believe.
If you feel that God is calling you to be homeless without a job and preach, I support you.

You are assuming such things, I wasn’t even talking about the Old Testament, let alone Genesis. You insert the word money when Adam and Eve depended on God for everything, they didn’t have to work for anything when the Garden of Eden was perfect. Jesus deos exactly that when he died for you, he says you don’t have to work for food, clothing, drink (John 6:27-29). All you have to do is obey his commandments and preach the Word and he will give food and everything else you need. (Matthew 25-34). You DO NOT NEED A JOB OR MONEY to do this. I have done it myself and plan on doing it more (eventually full time) and obeying Jesus words. I do not care about tithing, I am talking about Jesus and the missing Courner Stone that has been rejected by many (Luke 20:17-18, Mark 8:38). I haven’t seen any verses that go against what Jesus has said, this is God in the Flesh, no one else can trump him period. Do the works of God through his Son Jesus the Messiah (John 6:28-29). Believe what he said, stop serving your life away for money and embrace God with all of your strength, because you can’t serve both at the same time (Matthew 6:24, Roman’s 6:16).

I love ya brother, and I don’t want to argue, just read the gospels again with the claim of forsaking all in mind, trust me the Bible (at least the NT) makes a lot more sense and everything reflects of this commandment (Luke 12:33, Luke 14:33, Luke 4:11, Luke 5:11, John 14:15, John 10:21).

I could care less for the tax paying system, I feel sorry for individuals who want to serve money instead of Jesus. Matthew 6:24-30. Please show me where Jesus ever worked for money in the Bible in the first place. Give me scripture. Like I have given you. He used money YES, but NEVER worked for a paycheck in his life. When brought a coin to him Luke 20:24, he didn’t even know who it was that was on it, if he did handle and work for money why would he ask such a thing? Do you really think the creator of the universe needed money to take care of himself? When he created everything? Paul did pay for things, but guess where he got the money from? It’s in Acts 2:45. It never says Paul received money for building tents. That is assuming. I don’t think you read what I posted, I have scripture that shows what you claim is false. The men and women worked preaching the gospel and served God, Jesus provides everything for them. Including if they needed money.

There are so many errors in your posts that it would be easier to point out what you got right.
Since Jesus is God, he knew who was on the coin, so just that error shows you don't know who Jesus is.

… Adam and Eve depended on God for everything, they didn’t have to work for anything when the Garden of Eden was perfect.

And also, since all authorities are put in place by God, it follows that even the IRS is placed and accepted by God, so if you could care less about the taxpaying system, you are rebelling against God.

God called His creation good, not perfect, and Adam was charged with working the garden of Eden and taking care of it. See Genesis 2:15.

All good, I’m not arguing. Just don’t believe God doesn’t want us or at least me not to work.
I try not to make money, sports, women or anything else more important than Jesus, and fail miserably but...
I believe the Bible is Gods word, Jesus died on the cross for all sins, and rose from the grave and sits on the right hand of God. And As long as we repent and turn from our sins and toward Jesus, we will be saved. I don’t claim to understand all that the Bible says, but I believe God is merciful and knows my and everyone’s heart.
This has been the verse I repeat hourly.
Proverbs 3:5-6
5] Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
[6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

You should not work for money, you should work for Jesus preaching the Word,(Matthew 6:19-24) take no thought for your life (Matthew 25-34) healing the sick, casting out devils. (Luke 7:22, Luke 9:6) Because if you work for both you will hate one and love the other. (Matthew 6:24) Don’t worry about food and clothing, where you are going to get them (Matthew 25).

I have in fact traveled preaching the Gospel in Houston by myself and all I did was preached out of the Old Testament in front of a store and I was approached by someone who offered me food and shelter and paid for it in full. I had little money. I hitch hiked there with no plans, and God kept me safe -and provided what was needed. This is what Jesus commands everyone who loves him to do to inherit eternal life.