Not By Works

Hi vco, I posted something about people fearing to test their faith.

How have you turned this into "You do not know a thing"

You talk "we" I always talk about the group who follow Jesus, or believe.
Do you believe Jesus can change you? I am beginning to doubt you have.

But I get from your previous posts, you do not believe we can ever be righteous in the flesh.
So then having faith in Jesus would never be for transformation.

I would suggest this is a form of unbelief.
By the way I like your apparent anger and emphasis, it really makes a mark of both
condemnation, judgementalism and conviction. God bless you for this, it is both admirable
and troubling.

It also suggest you do not like trusting your faith, as you have got so angry, lol

If belief is also about transformation, those who do not believe Jesus can change them
do not have life. It blows everything else you say out of the water, sorry to say.

Every sheep knows in their DNA God is about change. When the law in written on your heart and mind,
you know what you want to do and why. But those not of His flock simply have no clue.

To them to read His law and His words is not a joy but condemnation.
I did read this actually testified by a believer, which was deeper in significance than they realised.
God bless you.

THAT IS NOT JUDGING. THE IS DISCERNING the FALSE GOSPEL you preach.

As usual Fran you have misapplied God's word; your post, "with ALL THOSE verses on it?" are meant to be applied to a Christians on going sanctification.

All of your wonderful verses are applied to a Christians on going sanctification which everyone on this thread, "Not By Works", has gone over and over and over again with you; these verses are not related to a Christians salvation and not one word about salvation is ever mentioned in these verses. Again you have misapplied God's word.

Which makes me wonder and something I cannot understand is why people cling so desperately to this false teaching, and do things like "move the goal post" ad hominen attacks......some street preachers I have seen go into a rage (truly I did see this) etc.,

I guess this is the fruit of their faulty theology

So transformation of the heart by Jesus is a false gospel.
Good we got that one straight.

What I am learning, is people come in so many different forms and expressions of
faith, yet this heart response varies so much. And some hates Gods simple word.

But as His word comes alive to me, I can only share, for I cannot know what you
are like or what shadows it awakens in your heart. I do ask, commit it all to the
Lord, and He will make your paths straight. Halleluyah.

Oh GEE, we have another ONE that does not believe in KNOWING JESUS Intimately and Personally.

Hi Vco,

I think you are scrabbling to try and find a flaw in my approach.
Our walk is always personal and intimate. I think I am pushing buttons you do not like
and do not know how to respond to. I suppose I would not if I was in your position.

My walk and sharing comes from a question. How like Jesus are we, and what is the point
of the cross and sanctification?

This has brought me back to who I am in Jesus. What I am in terms of change and how my
theology may not match my actual experience. You were changed by Jesus.
He met you, He worked in your heart, healed and turned your life around.

So my friend and brother, you know of what I speak. So Jesus can finish the work and bring
you into this Holiness, which you have walked in already and know but have not expressed.
If you cannot accept this, then you may end up denying the Lords work in your life, which
is a kind of spiritual suicide, but it seems completely possible. But I pray your eyes might
be opened, and your heart calmed, and you rest in what He has done for you, Amen.

Absolutely and completely contrary to anything we have written!!!!!

Shocking you would state this!!!

Short; sweet; truth. Leads to life.

Why are you shocked?
How does Jesus change us? What are we in Christ, not what does God look at us as if
we are something else?

And my language is, not you have said this, but if you believe Jesus does not change
the believer in their walk then the promise to the believer could be null and void.

Jesus says belief means eternal life.
Demons believe Jesus is the Son of God, shudder and are not saved.

So belief has to be different than what demons do.
I hope this is not a shock to you, but then who am I to wonder, I just observe.

He lifts them up that the sap runs freely. Renewed explained this so great on another thread.

I love this, believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.

This about repentance, conviction of sin, commitment to walk in righteousness and
believing your sins are forgiven through the cross.

But for some it means something different. The 4 spiritual laws leading people to
Christ are not longer accepted by many who call themselves believers.

For traditional believers this makes them apostates and heretics.
But then in this modern age, blasphemy and claiming one is a god is not looked down on.
And funnily this is from fellowships I actually know, God help them.

shocked?

you do not know him very well.

go back about a year and a half or so ago, in this same thread, and look the things he was saying in the peterjens persona ..

These are the words of a dissenter, an interloper not James, so you have yet to understand the book of James.

I am shocked at your false allegations towards us, no one has stated this, therefore you bear false witness and yet you present yourself to be so amiable.

My position below remains!!!

I have heard this false teaching before.
It is just saying you can be in the vine, and not dry up and be rejected, except that is
exactly what the parable says. And those who change the words of Jesus are simply false teachers.

Who do the Sheep listen to? Jesus. But it is for you to decide what you are and who you listen
to.

Yes you are right. I will stop, EG was right I need to stop getting pulled in, my only choice is ignore so I do not see the rhetoric.

Thank you @gb9 ...much appreciated, why should I upset myself for no reason,

Some people do not even know they are thirsty, so how can they even be led to water.

Do you know the God of righteousness and truth?
Do you know the God of law and love?

Do you think the gospel of grace does not have the power to make us
literally children of the living God? But only if you repent and commit to walk in His ways.

Have you never heard this? Do you not know the word of the Lord?
Repent and be baptised, for the forgiveness of your sins.

Do not upset yourselves, your compromises with sin will just send you to hell.
Thus spoke the enemy of people and of God.

Who should you fear most? Humans or the living God, the creator of All things.
I fear the creator, because I know in His arms there is love and life eternal,
if I bow the knee and follow in His ways, Amen.