John Wesley/Methodist view on the thief on the cross
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My statements have been made because I had someone telling me the only way you can receive both grace and faith is by hearing which is only half biblical....
What you have heard is written about what was both seen and heard .
The eye that can't see God even today is blind because it is written the evidence is everywhere for the eye to behold....so to say someone can't come to faith without hearing and only seeing initially is a lie.....
Scripture says Eyes to see and ears to hear both validate understanding and faith on a personal and scriptural level.
What you have heard is written about what was both seen and heard .
The eye that can't see God even today is blind because it is written the evidence is everywhere for the eye to behold....so to say someone can't come to faith without hearing and only seeing initially is a lie.....
Scripture says Eyes to see and ears to hear both validate understanding and faith on a personal and scriptural level.
Not a Methodist myself, i believe that faith and works go hand in hand. Justification is a free gift that can not be earnt or gained by works and when we realise that we are given this gift we act accordingly. Sanctification or works or fruits come as a natural result of Christ living in us. When we have a relationship with Jesus our lives will naturally reflect the changes that the Spirit has made in us.
We shouldn't try to separate the sanctification and Justification because they both come from Jesus as we allow Him to work in us.
By faith we are made new. by faith we work.
By faith we are saved from Sin, ... saved from the desire to sin(transformed and renewed),
... the results of sin (justified),
... and from the action of sinning (sanctification).
We shouldn't try to separate the sanctification and Justification because they both come from Jesus as we allow Him to work in us.
By faith we are made new. by faith we work.
By faith we are saved from Sin, ... saved from the desire to sin(transformed and renewed),
... the results of sin (justified),
... and from the action of sinning (sanctification).
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:9
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Pe 1:10
2Pe 1:6
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:9
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Pe 1:10
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I will accept all of that as compliments😀
One of my homes is in MO
MO IS......the show me state.
God did show me before he began to teach me.
Southern rock is my preference.....
I like Whipping Post by ABB
Dreams I'll Never See
Melissa Win Lose or Draw
In MO now listening to
ABB
You must be prophetically psychic!
😀
One of my homes is in MO
MO IS......the show me state.
God did show me before he began to teach me.
Southern rock is my preference.....
I like Whipping Post by ABB
Dreams I'll Never See
Melissa Win Lose or Draw
In MO now listening to
ABB
You must be prophetically psychic!
😀
Hello Guojing,
The bottom line to those who would try to bring us back under salvation by works, is this:
If anyone is trusting in anything other than the Lord's sacrifice as a means of salvation, then it is the same as saying that the Lord's sacrifice was insufficient. He gives us an example of those who will attempt to claim this in the scripture below:
"Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
When they find out that they will not be able to enter into the kingdom of God, their first three words give away the reason as to why they will not be able to enter in "did we not."
We cannot enter into the kingdom of God by what we do. On the contrary, the correct response would be "Lord, Lord, did you not shed your blood for us?" Of course, if that was their faith, the Lord would not be telling them to depart in the first place. Clearly, the example above reveals those who will be trusting in their own works.
Another example of salvation by grace through faith, would be found in the event of Cornelius household, who while Peter was still speaking, the Holy Spirit fell upon all of them so that they spoke in languages and prophesied. And that without being baptized, no hands laid on them, no works done, no promise of keeping the law, etc. Regarding this Peter says, "He (God) made no distinction between us (those under the law) and them (Gentiles), for he cleansed their hearts through faith.
Salvation has already been obtained for everyone who believes. Good works will follow those who belong to Christ and that to the glory of God, not to obtain salvation.
The bottom line to those who would try to bring us back under salvation by works, is this:
If anyone is trusting in anything other than the Lord's sacrifice as a means of salvation, then it is the same as saying that the Lord's sacrifice was insufficient. He gives us an example of those who will attempt to claim this in the scripture below:
"Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
When they find out that they will not be able to enter into the kingdom of God, their first three words give away the reason as to why they will not be able to enter in "did we not."
We cannot enter into the kingdom of God by what we do. On the contrary, the correct response would be "Lord, Lord, did you not shed your blood for us?" Of course, if that was their faith, the Lord would not be telling them to depart in the first place. Clearly, the example above reveals those who will be trusting in their own works.
Another example of salvation by grace through faith, would be found in the event of Cornelius household, who while Peter was still speaking, the Holy Spirit fell upon all of them so that they spoke in languages and prophesied. And that without being baptized, no hands laid on them, no works done, no promise of keeping the law, etc. Regarding this Peter says, "He (God) made no distinction between us (those under the law) and them (Gentiles), for he cleansed their hearts through faith.
Salvation has already been obtained for everyone who believes. Good works will follow those who belong to Christ and that to the glory of God, not to obtain salvation.
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Where are all the methodists? They must keep a low profile. Its funny because I dont really know any methodists either. Although there is a garden club that meets at a methodist church near me. Maybe if I go, might actually meet some methodists.
People dont really talk a lot about John wesley in other churches. Sometimes you get overwhelmed with people parroting John Calvin though in certain church circles.
People dont really talk a lot about John wesley in other churches. Sometimes you get overwhelmed with people parroting John Calvin though in certain church circles.
Hi @Guojing, here's a short article from Asbury University that may prove useful to you.
Wesleyan-Holiness Theology
WESLEYAN-HOLINESS THEOLOGY is grounded in the teaching of John Wesley (1703-1791). Wesley and his brother Charles were Oxford-trained, ordained clergymen in the Church of England. While at Oxford, they founded a small group of men who were derisively called by their peers the “Holy Club.” Around the same time they began to be called Methodists. Originally applied to an obscure ancient sect of physicians, it was the name that stuck; thus, Oxford Methodism was born. The sole design of these Methodists was, as Wesley put it, to be “downright Bible-Christians; taking the Bible, as interpreted by the primitive church [early church fathers] … for their whole and sole rule.”
John Wesley’s primary focus was upon the doctrine of salvation and the relationship between grace, faith, and holiness of heart and life. Wesley identified three doctrines in “A Short History of Methodism” (1765) that summed up the core of Methodist and Wesleyan-Holiness teaching.[ii] What he says there essentially reflects his thought at the outset of the Methodist revival contained in two key treatises, “Character of a Methodist” and “The Principles of a Methodist,” both published in 1742.
First, Wesley taught the classical doctrine of original sin and the absolute inability of human beings to save themselves through virtuous works.[iii] As with the Protestant Reformers, Luther and Calvin, Wesley held that Adam’s disobedience plunged the human race into a matrix of sin from which, barring divine intervention, there is no escape. Departing from the Reformers, however, Wesley rejected their notions of election, predestination, irresistible grace and the like as matters of opinion. He believed that these ideas not only did not reflect the teaching of the Bible and the early church, but also that they did not portray accurately the character or work of a loving God. Instead, following St. Paul’s discussions of law and gospel, sin and justification in Galatians and Romans, Wesley insisted that the grace of God is freely available to all who would hear the gospel, repent, and believe; grace precedes faith so that the choice to believe is uncoerced and free. The doctrine of prevenient grace (“grace that goes before”), which Wesley gleaned from the church fathers, points to a God who saves the lost without transgressing their moral freedom to choose. Such grace enables the individual to repent of their sins and to believe in Jesus Christ.
Secondly, Wesley taught that salvation, or justification as it is termed, comes by faith alone.[iv] He dismissed the notion that righteous works, even though good in themselves, accrue any merit whatsoever toward salvation. Wesley observed that there are three things that work together to produce salvation. The first is the infinite mercy and grace of God; the second is the satisfaction of God’s righteous judgment of sin based on the sacrificial and substitutionary death of Christ; the third is the individual’s personal faith in the merits of Jesus Christ. Wesley insisted that such faith is not merely giving cognitive assent, but it is heartfelt trust in Christ for forgiveness of sins and confidence that God saves those who truly believe. Wesleyans teach that the moment one believes, he/she is saved; and by believing they may expect to receive an inward witness of having been delivered from bondage to sin and eternal damnation to freedom from sin and eternal life. This witness is not merely a feeling: it is the work of the Holy Spirit and the beginning of the inward regeneration of character described metaphorically in the Gospel of John as the new birth.
Thirdly, Wesley taught that genuine faith produces inward and outward holiness. The regenerative process inwardly cannot help but find expression in an improved moral character outwardly. The doctrine of holiness is grounded in the command to be holy as God is holy (Lev. 19:2 and other Old Testament loci). Jesus commanded, “Be perfect therefore as your Father in heaven is perfect” (Mt. 5:48). Jesus also taught that true Christian discipleship requires loving God with all the heart, soul, mind, and strength, and loving neighbor as self (Mt. 22:34-40). Whereas Luther and Calvin tended to view perfection in the absolute sense (i.e., perfect performance), Wesley understood it in the theological sense as having to do with maturity of character and ever-increasing love for God. The New Testament word “perfection” translates from a Greek term that means maturity or completion: it does not mean flawlessness. Therefore, whenever Wesley discussed holiness, sanctification or perfection (all theologically synonymous), he preferred the expression “Christian perfection.” By appending the adjective Christian, he sought to avoid comparisons with the Reformers whose idealistic notions of perfection led them to believe that holiness or personal sanctify is not possible in this life. Christian perfection, for Wesley, is achievable in this present life because it has to do with the affections. When, by the grace of God infused into the soul through the Holy Spirit, one’s love for God and others is made pure and complete, their lifestyle cannot help but increase in virtue, finding expression in loving, selfless actions. Faith working outwardly through love was one of Wesley’s favorite biblical themes (Gal. 5:6).
One of the key debates within the Wesleyan-Holiness tradition is whether Christian perfection or, as it is often termed, “entire sanctification,” is an instantaneous second work of grace or the gradual working of the Spirit. Is it crisis or process? In fact, Wesley said it is both. Wesley consistently argued that salvation must produce holiness of heart and life, but he never viewed the process as a ladder of ascent of sorts, as ancient and medieval Christian mystics had. He never envisioned a stage in this life where one has arrived and can go no further. Instead, Wesley viewed Christian holiness biblically as a linear movement forward. He taught that despite the inner assurance and regeneration of character that results from justification, it is never too long before the new believer discovers that there is still a root of sin within. Unlike the Reformers, who had taught that sanctification only occurs at death, Wesley argued that he could see no reason why it could not occur ten, twenty, or even thirty years before death. Certainly, he said, there is no biblical evidence that would lead one to think otherwise. Though he never himself claimed to be entirely sanctified (he believed that claiming it was a fair sign that one was not so), Wesley recorded the experiences of others whom he had no doubt were delivered from all sin and filled entirely with the pure love of God. Some of these accounts are found in his treatise “A Plain Account of Christian Perfection” (1767).
Asbury University, with its roots in the American Methodist and holiness tradition, has followed Wesley’s teaching on entire sanctification. Believers may and should seek a subsequent work of God where through grace imparted by the Spirit, they are made full of the love of God. However, as Wesley cautioned, there is no state of Christian existence wherein there does not admit an increase in love for God and neighbor. For Wesley and for Christians in the Wesleyan-Holiness tradition, the Christian life of faith always holds out the potential of ever-increasing likeness to Christ in love through the gracious indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.
—Dr Neil D. Anderson, Department of Bible and Theology, Asbury University
~Deut
Wesleyan-Holiness Theology
WESLEYAN-HOLINESS THEOLOGY is grounded in the teaching of John Wesley (1703-1791). Wesley and his brother Charles were Oxford-trained, ordained clergymen in the Church of England. While at Oxford, they founded a small group of men who were derisively called by their peers the “Holy Club.” Around the same time they began to be called Methodists. Originally applied to an obscure ancient sect of physicians, it was the name that stuck; thus, Oxford Methodism was born. The sole design of these Methodists was, as Wesley put it, to be “downright Bible-Christians; taking the Bible, as interpreted by the primitive church [early church fathers] … for their whole and sole rule.”
John Wesley’s primary focus was upon the doctrine of salvation and the relationship between grace, faith, and holiness of heart and life. Wesley identified three doctrines in “A Short History of Methodism” (1765) that summed up the core of Methodist and Wesleyan-Holiness teaching.[ii] What he says there essentially reflects his thought at the outset of the Methodist revival contained in two key treatises, “Character of a Methodist” and “The Principles of a Methodist,” both published in 1742.
First, Wesley taught the classical doctrine of original sin and the absolute inability of human beings to save themselves through virtuous works.[iii] As with the Protestant Reformers, Luther and Calvin, Wesley held that Adam’s disobedience plunged the human race into a matrix of sin from which, barring divine intervention, there is no escape. Departing from the Reformers, however, Wesley rejected their notions of election, predestination, irresistible grace and the like as matters of opinion. He believed that these ideas not only did not reflect the teaching of the Bible and the early church, but also that they did not portray accurately the character or work of a loving God. Instead, following St. Paul’s discussions of law and gospel, sin and justification in Galatians and Romans, Wesley insisted that the grace of God is freely available to all who would hear the gospel, repent, and believe; grace precedes faith so that the choice to believe is uncoerced and free. The doctrine of prevenient grace (“grace that goes before”), which Wesley gleaned from the church fathers, points to a God who saves the lost without transgressing their moral freedom to choose. Such grace enables the individual to repent of their sins and to believe in Jesus Christ.
Secondly, Wesley taught that salvation, or justification as it is termed, comes by faith alone.[iv] He dismissed the notion that righteous works, even though good in themselves, accrue any merit whatsoever toward salvation. Wesley observed that there are three things that work together to produce salvation. The first is the infinite mercy and grace of God; the second is the satisfaction of God’s righteous judgment of sin based on the sacrificial and substitutionary death of Christ; the third is the individual’s personal faith in the merits of Jesus Christ. Wesley insisted that such faith is not merely giving cognitive assent, but it is heartfelt trust in Christ for forgiveness of sins and confidence that God saves those who truly believe. Wesleyans teach that the moment one believes, he/she is saved; and by believing they may expect to receive an inward witness of having been delivered from bondage to sin and eternal damnation to freedom from sin and eternal life. This witness is not merely a feeling: it is the work of the Holy Spirit and the beginning of the inward regeneration of character described metaphorically in the Gospel of John as the new birth.
Thirdly, Wesley taught that genuine faith produces inward and outward holiness. The regenerative process inwardly cannot help but find expression in an improved moral character outwardly. The doctrine of holiness is grounded in the command to be holy as God is holy (Lev. 19:2 and other Old Testament loci). Jesus commanded, “Be perfect therefore as your Father in heaven is perfect” (Mt. 5:48). Jesus also taught that true Christian discipleship requires loving God with all the heart, soul, mind, and strength, and loving neighbor as self (Mt. 22:34-40). Whereas Luther and Calvin tended to view perfection in the absolute sense (i.e., perfect performance), Wesley understood it in the theological sense as having to do with maturity of character and ever-increasing love for God. The New Testament word “perfection” translates from a Greek term that means maturity or completion: it does not mean flawlessness. Therefore, whenever Wesley discussed holiness, sanctification or perfection (all theologically synonymous), he preferred the expression “Christian perfection.” By appending the adjective Christian, he sought to avoid comparisons with the Reformers whose idealistic notions of perfection led them to believe that holiness or personal sanctify is not possible in this life. Christian perfection, for Wesley, is achievable in this present life because it has to do with the affections. When, by the grace of God infused into the soul through the Holy Spirit, one’s love for God and others is made pure and complete, their lifestyle cannot help but increase in virtue, finding expression in loving, selfless actions. Faith working outwardly through love was one of Wesley’s favorite biblical themes (Gal. 5:6).
One of the key debates within the Wesleyan-Holiness tradition is whether Christian perfection or, as it is often termed, “entire sanctification,” is an instantaneous second work of grace or the gradual working of the Spirit. Is it crisis or process? In fact, Wesley said it is both. Wesley consistently argued that salvation must produce holiness of heart and life, but he never viewed the process as a ladder of ascent of sorts, as ancient and medieval Christian mystics had. He never envisioned a stage in this life where one has arrived and can go no further. Instead, Wesley viewed Christian holiness biblically as a linear movement forward. He taught that despite the inner assurance and regeneration of character that results from justification, it is never too long before the new believer discovers that there is still a root of sin within. Unlike the Reformers, who had taught that sanctification only occurs at death, Wesley argued that he could see no reason why it could not occur ten, twenty, or even thirty years before death. Certainly, he said, there is no biblical evidence that would lead one to think otherwise. Though he never himself claimed to be entirely sanctified (he believed that claiming it was a fair sign that one was not so), Wesley recorded the experiences of others whom he had no doubt were delivered from all sin and filled entirely with the pure love of God. Some of these accounts are found in his treatise “A Plain Account of Christian Perfection” (1767).
Asbury University, with its roots in the American Methodist and holiness tradition, has followed Wesley’s teaching on entire sanctification. Believers may and should seek a subsequent work of God where through grace imparted by the Spirit, they are made full of the love of God. However, as Wesley cautioned, there is no state of Christian existence wherein there does not admit an increase in love for God and neighbor. For Wesley and for Christians in the Wesleyan-Holiness tradition, the Christian life of faith always holds out the potential of ever-increasing likeness to Christ in love through the gracious indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.
—Dr Neil D. Anderson, Department of Bible and Theology, Asbury University
~Deut
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Further, John Calvin (& with nearly the exact same words, Martin Luther) made this very interesting statement concerning justification by faith alone, which may be worth your time to consider, as I believe it is Wesley's understanding as well.
I believe that Wesley, Calvin and Luther all stood in harmony with James concerning the nature of 'saving' faith, who in his 2nd Chapter discussion concerning the two different "kinds" of faith that people (and demons) have, said the same thing, that one's claim of true "saving" faith can only be justifed/verified/proven to be true .. James 2:14-26 (to ourselves and to others) .. 2 Corinthians 13:5, by the things that accompany it, IOW, by what we do and say, and even how we think, as a result of coming to saving faith in Christ. If there is no resulting fruit, no apparent and lasting changes in the way a person acts/thinks since they made that claim, then chances are very good that their "claim" amounts to nothing more than that.
This is just a bit of conjecture, but it seems to me that the thief who was hanging on the cross next to Jesus may have performed a work related to the saving faith that he had just come to possess .. Luke 23:39-43, because he publicly testified concerning his guilt, as well concerning his faith in the innocent One hanging next to him on a cross and His ability to save him in the age to come.
~Deut
"We are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone"
I believe that Wesley, Calvin and Luther all stood in harmony with James concerning the nature of 'saving' faith, who in his 2nd Chapter discussion concerning the two different "kinds" of faith that people (and demons) have, said the same thing, that one's claim of true "saving" faith can only be justifed/verified/proven to be true .. James 2:14-26 (to ourselves and to others) .. 2 Corinthians 13:5, by the things that accompany it, IOW, by what we do and say, and even how we think, as a result of coming to saving faith in Christ. If there is no resulting fruit, no apparent and lasting changes in the way a person acts/thinks since they made that claim, then chances are very good that their "claim" amounts to nothing more than that.
This is just a bit of conjecture, but it seems to me that the thief who was hanging on the cross next to Jesus may have performed a work related to the saving faith that he had just come to possess .. Luke 23:39-43, because he publicly testified concerning his guilt, as well concerning his faith in the innocent One hanging next to him on a cross and His ability to save him in the age to come.
~Deut
James 2
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Hi @Guojing, here's a short article from Asbury University that may prove useful to you.
~Deut
Wesleyan-Holiness Theology
WESLEYAN-HOLINESS THEOLOGY is grounded in the teaching of John Wesley (1703-1791). Wesley and his brother Charles were Oxford-trained, ordained clergymen in the Church of England. While at Oxford, they founded a small group of men who were derisively called by their peers the “Holy Club.” Around the same time they began to be called Methodists. Originally applied to an obscure ancient sect of physicians, it was the name that stuck; thus, Oxford Methodism was born. The sole design of these Methodists was, as Wesley put it, to be “downright Bible-Christians; taking the Bible, as interpreted by the primitive church [early church fathers] … for their whole and sole rule.”
John Wesley’s primary focus was upon the doctrine of salvation and the relationship between grace, faith, and holiness of heart and life. Wesley identified three doctrines in “A Short History of Methodism” (1765) that summed up the core of Methodist and Wesleyan-Holiness teaching.[ii] What he says there essentially reflects his thought at the outset of the Methodist revival contained in two key treatises, “Character of a Methodist” and “The Principles of a Methodist,” both published in 1742.
First, Wesley taught the classical doctrine of original sin and the absolute inability of human beings to save themselves through virtuous works.[iii] As with the Protestant Reformers, Luther and Calvin, Wesley held that Adam’s disobedience plunged the human race into a matrix of sin from which, barring divine intervention, there is no escape. Departing from the Reformers, however, Wesley rejected their notions of election, predestination, irresistible grace and the like as matters of opinion. He believed that these ideas not only did not reflect the teaching of the Bible and the early church, but also that they did not portray accurately the character or work of a loving God. Instead, following St. Paul’s discussions of law and gospel, sin and justification in Galatians and Romans, Wesley insisted that the grace of God is freely available to all who would hear the gospel, repent, and believe; grace precedes faith so that the choice to believe is uncoerced and free. The doctrine of prevenient grace (“grace that goes before”), which Wesley gleaned from the church fathers, points to a God who saves the lost without transgressing their moral freedom to choose. Such grace enables the individual to repent of their sins and to believe in Jesus Christ.
Secondly, Wesley taught that salvation, or justification as it is termed, comes by faith alone.[iv] He dismissed the notion that righteous works, even though good in themselves, accrue any merit whatsoever toward salvation. Wesley observed that there are three things that work together to produce salvation. The first is the infinite mercy and grace of God; the second is the satisfaction of God’s righteous judgment of sin based on the sacrificial and substitutionary death of Christ; the third is the individual’s personal faith in the merits of Jesus Christ. Wesley insisted that such faith is not merely giving cognitive assent, but it is heartfelt trust in Christ for forgiveness of sins and confidence that God saves those who truly believe. Wesleyans teach that the moment one believes, he/she is saved; and by believing they may expect to receive an inward witness of having been delivered from bondage to sin and eternal damnation to freedom from sin and eternal life. This witness is not merely a feeling: it is the work of the Holy Spirit and the beginning of the inward regeneration of character described metaphorically in the Gospel of John as the new birth.
Thirdly, Wesley taught that genuine faith produces inward and outward holiness. The regenerative process inwardly cannot help but find expression in an improved moral character outwardly. The doctrine of holiness is grounded in the command to be holy as God is holy (Lev. 19:2 and other Old Testament loci). Jesus commanded, “Be perfect therefore as your Father in heaven is perfect” (Mt. 5:48). Jesus also taught that true Christian discipleship requires loving God with all the heart, soul, mind, and strength, and loving neighbor as self (Mt. 22:34-40). Whereas Luther and Calvin tended to view perfection in the absolute sense (i.e., perfect performance), Wesley understood it in the theological sense as having to do with maturity of character and ever-increasing love for God. The New Testament word “perfection” translates from a Greek term that means maturity or completion: it does not mean flawlessness. Therefore, whenever Wesley discussed holiness, sanctification or perfection (all theologically synonymous), he preferred the expression “Christian perfection.” By appending the adjective Christian, he sought to avoid comparisons with the Reformers whose idealistic notions of perfection led them to believe that holiness or personal sanctify is not possible in this life. Christian perfection, for Wesley, is achievable in this present life because it has to do with the affections. When, by the grace of God infused into the soul through the Holy Spirit, one’s love for God and others is made pure and complete, their lifestyle cannot help but increase in virtue, finding expression in loving, selfless actions. Faith working outwardly through love was one of Wesley’s favorite biblical themes (Gal. 5:6).
One of the key debates within the Wesleyan-Holiness tradition is whether Christian perfection or, as it is often termed, “entire sanctification,” is an instantaneous second work of grace or the gradual working of the Spirit. Is it crisis or process? In fact, Wesley said it is both. Wesley consistently argued that salvation must produce holiness of heart and life, but he never viewed the process as a ladder of ascent of sorts, as ancient and medieval Christian mystics had. He never envisioned a stage in this life where one has arrived and can go no further. Instead, Wesley viewed Christian holiness biblically as a linear movement forward. He taught that despite the inner assurance and regeneration of character that results from justification, it is never too long before the new believer discovers that there is still a root of sin within. Unlike the Reformers, who had taught that sanctification only occurs at death, Wesley argued that he could see no reason why it could not occur ten, twenty, or even thirty years before death. Certainly, he said, there is no biblical evidence that would lead one to think otherwise. Though he never himself claimed to be entirely sanctified (he believed that claiming it was a fair sign that one was not so), Wesley recorded the experiences of others whom he had no doubt were delivered from all sin and filled entirely with the pure love of God. Some of these accounts are found in his treatise “A Plain Account of Christian Perfection” (1767).
Asbury University, with its roots in the American Methodist and holiness tradition, has followed Wesley’s teaching on entire sanctification. Believers may and should seek a subsequent work of God where through grace imparted by the Spirit, they are made full of the love of God. However, as Wesley cautioned, there is no state of Christian existence wherein there does not admit an increase in love for God and neighbor. For Wesley and for Christians in the Wesleyan-Holiness tradition, the Christian life of faith always holds out the potential of ever-increasing likeness to Christ in love through the gracious indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.
—Dr Neil D. Anderson, Department of Bible and Theology, Asbury University
~Deut
When looked at carefully, the quote given by the OP matches exactly with the quote given here by Deuteronomy.
Methodists believe that salvation is by faith in Christ alone, but that this faith will produce works in a person in the process of sanctification. Holy living was a very important part of Wesley's teaching.
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Yes. https://www.asbury.edu/about/spiritual-vitality/faith/wesleyan-holiness-theology/
Sorry about that, I must have forgotten to do so as I always try to link the articles that I post here if I've found them on the Internet.
Yes. I've never known of a Methodist who believes that Saving Faith + Works = Salvation, like our Roman Catholic friends do.
~Deut
Sorry about that, I must have forgotten to do so as I always try to link the articles that I post here if I've found them on the Internet.
Yes. I've never known of a Methodist who believes that Saving Faith + Works = Salvation, like our Roman Catholic friends do.
~Deut
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