Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D.

I disagree all of Revelation was not fulfilled in AD70. The NT as a whole teaches a resurrection of the dead which is not
just a spiritualised resurrection. Jesus clearly states in his parables that there will be one. He made it clear to Martha in the death and resurrection of Lazarus that there would be one on the last day. Revelation speaks of a new heaven and earth. Peter confirms
it in his letters. I am not minimising the events of AD70 but they are not the full picture. Full Preterism is the opposite extreme to
Futurism neither position allows for any acknowledgement of the other.

Jesus always speaks of the sufferings of hell

The Disciples didn't have Dictionaries. Jesus used the same word meaning the present Generation in other places where the context clearly shows that he meant those that he was talking to. Imposing an interpretation on text to justify a position doesn't make the
position correct.

Hello Roku23,

And where do we have the proof of Jesus return? Why isn't He still here? When did we see His angels gather anyone and when was anyone rewarded?

Those "standing here who shall not taste death" were Peter, John and James. This prophecy was fulfilled a week after Jesus said this when He took them up on a high mountain where Jesus was transformed into His glorified state. This is what He was referring to when He said, "till they see the Son of Man coming in His glory" and not the end of the age.

The "this generation" that Jesus was referring to is the one where all of those signs take place that He mentions throughout Matt.24. The fact is that, none of those things have taken place. First, the church would have to have been removed from the earth, the antichrist would have had to have been revealed, the wrath of God would have had to have taken place via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and so many other things would have had to have taken place before the Lord can return to the earth to end the age.

Obviously, the Son of Man has not yet returned, because if He did return in 70AD, we would have already gone through the millennial kingdom and the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem would already be here and would be in our immortal and glorified bodies.

None of the scriptures above have proven anything, only that those events must still take place. You basically posted scriptures without showing any literal fulfillment of them.

Your error is that, when Jesus returns, He's coming to stay, not to leave again.

Matt.24 is in reference to Jesus' return to the earth to end the age. Leading up to His return will be all of the signs that He mentions prior to Matt.24:30-31.

When Jesus does return, Armageddon will be taking place where all of the kings of nations and their armies will be gathered together where they will be wiped out! Then the beast and the false prophet (when haven't even been revealed yet), will be capture and thrown alive into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20). In the same time frame, a mighty angel having the key to the Abyss will seize Satan and throw him into the Abyss and seal him in for a thousand years.

You have zero fulfillment for any of these events.

When Jesus said "this generation" He wasn't referring to the generation that He was living in, but the one where all of those signs take place. Below is the scripture in question:

"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its branches become tender and sprout leaves, you know that summer is near. So also, when you see all these things, you will know that He is near, right at the door. Truly I tell you, this generation (the one where those signs take place) will not pass away until all these things have happened."

Branches begin to blossom = Summer is near

When you see all these signs = The end of the age is near

You are simply, repeating what you have read of Amillennialism/preterism.

In order to make your claim, you have to be able to show the proof of what those scriptures are saying.

"Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him—even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen. " - Rev.1:7

The world has not yet experienced the every eye seeing Him, much less all of the events which must take place leading up to His return.

You need to do your own studies and stop just repeating these false teachings!

Jesus did indeed fulfill all that the prophets had written about Him. And He also met the righteous requirements of the law, fulfilling it completely and fully and that on every believers behalf. If you think that when Jesus said that "not the smallest bit of the law would pass away" meant that human beings would fulfill it completely, you are gravely mistaken, as no has or ever will be able to keep the law perfectly, which is why Jesus came and did what we couldn't do.

You don't to be concerned about word studies here, for this is a matter of recorded proof, of which you have provided none. You just continue to post scriptures and then say "See!" Below is a list off the top of my head of events that must take place prior to the Lord's return to end the age:

Jesus will appear and take His Church back to the Father's house

Antichrist, who is represented by the first seal rider on the white horse must be revealed and which begins God's wrath

The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will continue throughout the entire seven years leading up to Christ's return

The antichrist/beast stops the daily sacrifices and offerings and sets up the abomination

The desolation takes place where the woman/Israel flees out into the desert where she is cared for during the last 3 1/2 years of the seven year period

The antichrist/beast is given power to make war and to conquer the great tribulation saints during that last 3 1/2 years

The mark of the beast becomes the only valid way to buy or sell from the middle of the seven years to the end

Sometime after the seventh bowl has been poured out, Jesus returns to the earth to end the age and the church with him riding on white horses - Rev.19:6-8, 14

Armageddon takes place where the kings and their armies are killed by that double-edged sword

The beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire - Rev.19:20

Satan is seized and thrown into the Abyss and sealed in for a thousand years

Millennial kingdom

You are just wrong. Too many points to consider. So He came back and....failed? What was the mark of the beast? No record of the prophets returning then dying, being left in street and getting up again. Where’s the lake of fire located?

It most certainly is biblical there is like 10 verses throughout the bible including the 40 yrs wandering in the desert with Moses .!
Better learn to. start searching the scripture before FALSELY claiming something is unbiblical
That is most appropriate and
HILARIOUS !
Nailed it !

I have no idea how people can believe such stupid things.
You need to throw away any material that teaches this, stop watching vidios that teach this, and avoid any teachers that teach this.
It is obvious that you and those you are influenced by have zero understanding of Scripture.

Your post is not worthy of any farther discussion.

Less gooooo!

The preterist gimmick again.

Lets apply the scientific method and test the preterist theory:

Revelation 21 says there are no more tears and no more death in the new heaven and new earth. Do you know anyone who has died recently? That puts a dent in your theory now doesnt it? Try reading preterist literature and remain serious, you cant avoid but to shed a couple of tears, that debunks your theory now doesnt it?

Full-preterism is a WICKED heresy! If you believe there is no more resurrection for us living today, you are not even saved, sad to say. There will be a resurrection in the future, coming up one of these days.
Jesus makes it clear that when He returns, there are no ifs buts and debates about it. Nobody is going to sit around thinking "did He return? Is He there in the chambers?" NO! Everyone will notice! Dont let the full-preterist lie to you!

You assert but fail to draw any connection - the verses you quoted only confirmed that Jesus was to come soon but why did you choose 70AD?

Matt 24:6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

According to Jesus, all these things including the 70AD things were only the beginning but the end was not yet even for that generation.

Matt 24:15So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), ...

70 AD events are not the abomination that Daniel spoke of, the real abomination requires understanding and understanding requires wisdom; seeing an army physically destroy a city and a temple doesn't require anyone to have wisdom, does it?

I'm intrigued by this subject. I've been investigating the preterist perspective and, so far, have found a lot to commend it. I haven't come to any conclusions yet.

Frankly, I'm disgusted by the tone of responses so far. Are we as Christians incapable of discussing a position without attacking the person presenting it? Has nobody learned that ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments are meaningless? Have we utterly neglected Scripture which states, "To answer before listening--that is folly and shame" and "In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right, until someone comes forward and cross-examines" (Proverbs 18:13 and 17)?

Even if, having investigated the matter thoroughly, you still disagree, fine, but do so with respect.

The Greek word is "Genea" for generation. It is used 43 times in the New Testament. It never means a race of people. There is a different Greek word for that. Jesus uses the word generation, or the phrase "this generation", 25 times in the New Testament. He uses it 3 times in the 3 accounts of the Olivet Discourse so we won't count those since we are debating their meaning. The other 22 times Jesus uses the word for generation it always means His contemporaries. There are no exceptions.

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The time of reformation has come. The use of Jewish flesh to be used as a shadow or types in the signified language, parables had come to a end.

The word generation simply means "beginning", its like the word "genesis". "This generation" spoken of in the new testament is limited to the genealogy of Christ in respect to the unseen seed, the gospel. The blessed generation.

Matthew 1 King James Version (KJV) The book of "the generation of Jesus Christ", the son of David, the son of Abraham.

When it speaks of those who have no faith it is referred to below the generation of Adam, natural unconverted man also called the evil generation or adulteress generation.

It is not used in the new testament as the generation of the flesh the temporal (flesh give birth to flesh) but the generation of Christ those born of the Spirit of God the eternal .

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:


Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

The Bible says "EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM" until that happens,it ain't happened. It's that simple folks.

The preterist view = an impotent Christ bereft of glory

Beyond that it simply does not resolve all of Scripure the way that a future pre-trib rapture does.

BTW....where is the Third Temple? Surely a blatant deficiency.

Thanks, but I'll come to my own conclusions through examination of Scripture and evidence.

That's correct - he came back in judgement at the head of the Roman armies.

Hebrews stated he would not tarry harry:

Heb 10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

The a little while means that his return was very near.

In the days of that event "Jerusalem compassed with armies" Jesus stated that all that was written would be fulfilled:

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Peter stated that all the prophets foretold of the days THEY were living in.

Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Preterists are lacking a 3rd Temple and Abomination of Desolation. Sorry it doesn't meet the requirements of Scripture. Not even close. Frankly I find the view absurd to the extreme.