Not By Works

If you think you can do it 24/7 and never for even one minute think of self you are decieved.

As jesus said, only God is good

Maybe we just found the root issue in your belief system

If you were actually serious when you said you don't sin every day, then you and the truth are about as far apart as the east is from the west, pal.

My point being Goodnewsman is claiming he's doing even better than the Apostle Paul did.

How do you know If sin everyday?

Thank you so much brother for your kind words...All the glory to God Amen...xox...

Where is this in scripture or in peoples lives?
I get the impression excessive levels of guilt, self condemnation are at work combined
with anxiety and lax discipline in mind, body and heart.

Paul did not judge himself and called us not to do this to each other.
He was sensitive not to eat meat when in the presence of a vegetarian.

So the spirit behind such condemnation is not of the Lord.

The Bible says you do.

And for the record, I would like you to say you've gone an entire day - 24 hours - without a sinful thought, or without a sinful deed.

I want to see just how deep a hole you can dig for yourself.

WOW...That is three of us , maybe he will tell us ourselves...xox...

Sorry

What is the 'clear plain statements of SCripture' you are referring to, from which you develop your theology? I want to see them.

My point to all this and I feel like it is being lost. (Probably my fault).

We do not have to sin..... We choose to sin

Paul did judge himself. Here, let me post it for ya:

"For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

Notice it's all present tense.



(Romans 7:14-25)

As long as you are in your present body, you are going to sin. The Old Man isn't dead in you.

You missed the whole point again probably my fault for trying to be sarcastic......... Sin is a choice

does the bible not say walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh

I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.
My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.
1 Cor 4:3-5

We do fight with this flesh....... But you do not have to lose every battle

If you don't mind me saying so a believer can live like he is in the world.
But that does not mean he is happy with it.

I have learned from my own experiences as such a person.
Written off by many people.

But thank God he chose people to come alongside me and find out what was going on, then discipled me.

I now do the same with others.

So for me I would doubt if they were saved if they said "It does not matter what I do I'm still saved"

I would then go through Romans 5-6.
If they reject it then I would doubt.
Tell them I can't help them but am around if they change their minds.

What really infuriates me and breaks my heart is that believers just look at the outside with no regards to what is in a person's heart.

They judge and say stupid things like "Just stop it"

There is always a cause of the effect.
Unless we are willing to come alongside and find the cause then we are no better than the Pharisees.

I get the impression Budman expects to fail and has just accepted failure because his
view is victory is impossible and a delusion of the enemy.

To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations--
'He will rule them with an iron scepter; he will dash them to pieces like pottery'--
just as I have received authority from my Father. I will also give him the morning star.
Rev 2:26-28

Exactly, was anyone saved before the cross the way we are discussing it on this thread.

Judas and his life does not work for proof of anything.