Not By Works

You might want to restudy that.....especially when Peter confesses who JESUS is by the Spirit of GOD......These men were saved, immersed and CALLED OUT, organized and called THE church twice in the present tense....and DAVID speaks of HIS salvation in the present TENSE long before the cross........

WOW.... I agree with you I would not walk out of that church....... I would run out.


Have you noticed any of those trends in other denominations as well? When we have the time Me and my family sing at different churches 4 revivals etc.... All different denominations and I have noticed some of those trends Creepin in to other churches as well

Eternal Life - Eternal - time that never ends Life - consciousness, the ability to choose and to express
Death - the ending of life, physically, spiritually
Could one have Eternal Life, a life that will never stop ( unless things change ), and then not?
We have life now. So is Eternal Life, our Life now going on eternally.

If Eternal Life is the promise God will not stop the life we have, then if this promise is removed we no longer
have Eternal Life. You could though only tell at the point life is taken from one.

So to establish this point in scripture you have to prove God is not just saying He is promising not to take life
away from the group who believe in His Son.

I didn't tell you what I thought. All I did was quote a scripture and instead of you addressing the scripture you attacked me

Brother Dcon, do you not like me?

And the beat goes on...

Every promise of God is made conditional by reading into the text something! Eisegesis the pros call it!

John 10:27-28 the conditional security english translation from the original codex decepticus manuscripts:
My sheep hear my voice[maybe, if they choose to do so by free will], and I know them[unless they stop knowing me, or stop believing, or sin to much], and they follow me[unless they use their free will to stop following me]:
And I give unto them eternal life[maybe, if they live a good enough life and dont sin too much]; and they shall never perish[maybe, unless they apostate from the faith], neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand[except they themselves, they are excluded from the any man, since free will].

Looks like you guys are selling us DOUBT! 50% off!

I believe that the disciples were given the anointing by Jesus "upon" them same as those like Elijah. But, it's only when we are converted that He by His Spirit dwells in us.

I know He has been with me all my life, even as a small child. But, it was one specific moment in time that I was taken from darkness to Light. And different like day and night.

He chooses us because we are foreknown. I wish I knew what all that means but someday I will.

I also believe that there are degrees of faith before conversion. The whosoevers. I think we all will be surprised to see all there with God. After all He died for all the world.

I already covered that, througouhly!

Eternal life is knowing Jesus. OK!
Those who Jesus casts to hell He says "I never knew you" not "i used to know you"
To the sheep Jesus says they know Him and He knows them!

Therefore we can conclude, the sheep know Jesus, and are eternally secure. (I give them eternal life, they shall NEVER perish)

Sorry, I do not believe that the disciples were not saved until the 50th day.....nor do I believe that the O.T. saints were not saved....David speaks of it in the present tense.........and JESUS even told the woman, thy faith has SAVED thee, go in peace.....these men were saved and immersed and identified as a church twice in the present tense........

And me being the poor o' uneducated gypsy only going by the english word eternal(its the same word in my native language too btw) as you mentioned. I decided to work my two remaining braincells and look up the word eternal in the greek, here are the three definitions:


1. without beginning or end, that which always has been and always will be: Θεός, Romans 16:26 (ὁ μόνος αἰώνιος, 2 Macc. 1:25); πνεῦμα, Hebrews 9:14.

2. without beginning: χρόνοις αἰωνίοις, Romans 16:25; πρό χρόνων αἰωνίων, 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 1:2; εὐαγγέλιον, a gospel whose subject-matter is eternal, i. e., the saving purpose of God adopted from eternity, Revelation 14:6.

3. without end, never to cease, everlasting: 2 Corinthians 4:18 (opposed to πρόσκαιρος); αἰώνιον αὐτόν, joined to thee forever as a sharer of the same eternal life, Philcmon 1:15; βάρος δόξης, 2 Corinthians 4:17; βασιλεία, 2 Peter 1:11; δόξα, 2 Timothy 2:10; 1 Peter 5:10; ζωή (see ζωή, 2 b.); κληρονομία, Hebrews 9:15; λύτρωσις, Hebrews 9:12; παράκλησις, 2 Thessalonians 2:16;

So we got, without beginning or end, without beginning, without end.

That doesnt sound like something you can misplace or forget at the gas-station!

You can read more about the definitions and usage of the word here: https://biblehub.com/greek/166.htm

I believe I have PROVEN my point that! Does eternal life mean knowing Jesus as you quoted? YES! Who know Jesus? The sheep, to whom Jesus gives eternal life, who shall NEVER perish (not maybe perish).
I believe not only have I proven the case biblically, BUT also from your first line of defense which was "the greek", it looks like that greek argument backfired on you, since it supported what i said! I notice people try me on the GREEK often times. NOT A FAN of going back to the greek, but i have to do it OCCASIONALLY!

At least he must be reading the word of God first to disagree...Who is he disagreeing with ? not us but GOD...xox...

i cant make heads or tails of this post

SORRY! not saying that to disrespect.

Can someone translate this to a DUMMY like me? Are you saying that eternal life is a promise that can be taken away? Or is something in the future?

Two problems: Eternal life is spoken of as a PRESENT reality, and God is the author and finisher of our faith, irrevocable gifts and promises!

And the beat goes on...

Amen!!!! Also.....
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4 KJV

Habitual sinners that refuse to keep his Commandments does not have eternal life........ Eternal life is knowing him

LOL! Two or three maybe - hard to follow all these voices, threads, and ideas . . .

Or did you mean you were continuing on your mail route beat?
(as in Webster's definition for "beat" : 3a a regularly traversed round)

I meant the beat goes on in this thread. My day off this week is today (I'm always off on Sunday and my other day off rotates), which gave me a 3 day weekend, thanks to the holiday yesterday.

Life - What is life? Life is the continuing of our consciousness, our ability to make choices.
If this life continues forever then that is eternal.

Jesus said those who believe in Him will never die, or taste death.

This again is another way of saying they will not suffer the second death and the lake of fire.

If one thinks only in terms of one phrase its actual meaning can pass us by.

I gave a guy at BJ's club a Christmas stocking holder that he really wanted. Didn't know him from Adam. What does giving someone something have to do with knowing someone?
I also give people the Gospel all the time that I don't know. What happens next isn't up o me.

Jesus NEVER KNEW them, NEVER created a NEW heart in them, making them a NEW creation. Think of Adam "knowing" his wife.