Why I now have issues about "once saved, always saved"

Now if only we had free will to begin with!

If you believe in foreknowledge, you belive in predestination.

WHY would God bother saving people who He knows would go APOSTATE? In the arminian VIEW?

Arminianism is RIDICILOUS.

Here is some good comedy:

Do not be mad at me. Yet John 15:2 seems to be clear.

Now if only we had free will to begin with!

If you believe in foreknowledge, you belive in predestination.

WHY would God bother saving people who He knows would go APOSTATE? In the arminian VIEW?

Arminianism is RIDICILOUS.

Here is some good comedy:

Do not be mad at me. Yet John 15:2 seems to be clear.

John 15
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

there are two sorts of brances here


branches that bare fruit

"every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit"
"He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit"


and branches that do not bare fruit

"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned"
"As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself"

this is largely an example of the power of CHRIST in His own

compared to the lack of power in fakers

dont you understand when this is being said?

what judas already did and what was about to happen?


but this has NOTHING to do with the loss of salvation to a saved believer


and MUCH to do with two separate types of men in the same congregation of "believers" (in Him)

John 15
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

there are two sorts of brances here


branches that bare fruit

"every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit"
"He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit"


and branches that do not bare fruit

"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned"
"As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself"

this is largely an example of the power of CHRIST in His own

compared to the lack of power in fakers

dont you understand when this is being said?

what judas already did and what was about to happen?


but this has NOTHING to do with the loss of salvation to a saved believer


and MUCH to do with two separate types of men in the same congregation of "believers" (in Him)

So if someone was a branch that bore fruit, and then that person no longer is abiding in Christ, is he still a fruitful branch?

(sorry if it didnt sound like i answered you clearly)


if someone does not abide (stay / remain) in Christ

they were never a fruitful branch... even if they appeared to be before man

proof of eternal security 100% irrefutable:


Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

I highlighted the word "I know them" because Jesus KNOWS the sheep. Now this proves sheep will always be sheep:

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

There Jesus casts folks into hell and He NEVER knew them, not used to know them but the sheep evolutionized into goats!

Sorry, the text of John 15 does not say that. If it does, please show me where?

It seems to me like you assume OSAS, and them superimpose this understanding on the passage. Just let the text say what it says.

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I did... you just don't like it.

OK, I looked again (#32,33) -- I didn't see it! Or, did I miss something?

the OP for some reason thought John 15 was speaking of saved believers losing salvation
it is not

i clearly explained what is truly being said

you don't like it and disagree


....you say im super imposing.... and by the logic of your last post.....


if i eat a slice of pizza

i just made some flour a human
tomatos a human
some spices a human
cheese a human

and some pepperoni (most likely a pig🤔).... a human