End time signs in Amillennialism?

What about the time when Jesus actually has put everything under his feet and takes up residence in the New Jerusalem. Just wondering what you believe about that, whther He still has a heart for his homeland and chosen people. So e people say well the narion of isrel isnt that its been 'replaced' and that covenant was completely broken. That promised land is not that piece of land in the middle east. Its desolate. But then How do you explain whats hppening there. People are speaking Gods language there. They are studying scriputres. Some are looking forward to their Messiah, some already know Him. Why would God forsake His people? I dont think He has.

If my people, who are called by my name, turn from their wicked ways and humble themselves and pray, then I will from heaven I will forgive their sin and I will heal their land.

Do you see that right now? Go to israel, look at the land. Is it the overflowing with milk and honey? Hardly! Its divded, people are still fighting, Its still got a long way to go.

Not from any teacher but i can confirm that finally i have the understanding. Struggled with many positions for so many years and gave up - that's when i started getting the understanding.

Simple- The question is in Daniel and the answer is also in Daniel but the key ingredient to calculating it is in Revelation.
The issue has never been identifying a person but understanding the times (timeline), those waiting to identify a person or see certain features have already missed the mark by far, we are deep into these things, very deep, we are almost done with.

Like the angel in Daniel said, "..it shall be 2300 evenings and mornings and everything shall be restored..". 2300 AD it is, trust me.

I do believe He has a heart for His people, ALL His people, and He has provided them salvation in their Messiah, who has come. He now transforms us to bring them this message. He has forsaken no one, but all have to come through the narrow gate. Everything that's going on in Israel is for the exact same reason that anything happens anywhere, rejection of God. Look I'm just a completely fallible riffraff that God changed for His glory, but I'm still a complete fool. After this week I am knock back down to square 1, and rightly so. I teach and speak in His name, and I have allowed myself to get arrested for possession of less than 20 grams of weed, something I could have been doing completely legally, but look at the hypocritical stumbling block, that's now not even aloud to minister to the guys in jail I was talking to (the most painful part of the whole thing). I never knew how painful a spiritual mistake could be, not to mention the embarrassment and shame having to face my wife, kids, church, and most of all my Savior whom I have to face after being banned from speaking His truth to others. There was SO MUCH more than justifying "my" habits with God. He has shown me so clearly that I was thinking was too small and totally selfishly, it's not an "only personal" thing at all, it's about Him, His kingdom, and all for His glory. We are the tools He uses to do this, and this is the most precious thing any of us could ever have, but He is just so much bigger.

I believe all the Jews will come to Him along with the Muslims, Hindus, atheist, Buddhist, and everything else as well. I know it's insane to believe this when I look around today, but I don't watch the news. I watch the people around me, the power of God to work in the men I visited in jail, that I now can't, ALL my fault, and I am still dealing with the confessing part of it, but I just want Him, and I believe He is already King right now and I will proclaim it this way, and thank Him for this lesson now, before I had a chance to really disgrace Him name among the lost.

Anyway No I don't believe He has forsaken Israel, and I think it's all going under Him. I'm still growing and studying everyday though.

Sole Proponent:

1. I could mention your complete absence of logical principles:
You make entirely ad hoc and arbitrary connections between "dots" that have no causal relationship to each other, and which don't even share a categorical relationship. There is no logic employed here at all. You just whimsically join things together, things which have no logical connection whatsoever, because you simply WANT to.

You just cram things together, willy nilly, without any concern in the slightest for what the text actually SAYS.

2. I could also mention a complete absence of hermeneutic principles:
You give words and phrases completely arbitrary definitions without consulting the text, and you overlook explanations of things which are sometimes included right in the immediate passage.

You give no concern to definitions or explanations given right in the context of the passages... you literally just IGNORE what the bible says, and re-imagine your own Bible.


Conclusion:

1. This is virtually too silly to bother explaining... it's just goofy.

2. Even if you heard a voice from heaven, it wouldn't have spoken in ridiculous irrational gobbledy gook; God always speaks to man in logical sentences that make logical sense, and which rely on predictable conventions like grammar and context... because God actually wants us to UNDERSTAND him.

3. Even when orthodox Christians disagree, we still try to use grammar, context, and logic, to best understand what is ACTUALLY SAID... not to circumvent what is said by dreaming up ridiculous fantasies from thin air.

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What about the time when Jesus actually has put everything under his feet and takes up residence in the New Jerusalem. Just wondering what you believe about that, whther He still has a heart for his homeland and chosen people. So e people say well the narion of isrel isnt that its been 'replaced' and that covenant was completely broken. That promised land is not that piece of land in the middle east. Its desolate. But then How do you explain whats hppening there. People are speaking Gods language there. They are studying scriputres. Some are looking forward to their Messiah, some already know Him. Why would God forsake His people? I dont think He has.

If my people, who are called by my name, turn from their wicked ways and humble themselves and pray, then I will from heaven I will forgive their sin and I will heal their land.

Do you see that right now? Go to israel, look at the land. Is it the overflowing with milk and honey? Hardly! Its divded, people are still fighting, Its still got a long way to go.

I thought he was bound though? still blinding the minds of unbelievers, deceiving the nations! OY VEY!

I don't think it's as "idiotic" to believe the end of the "AGE" came in 70 A.D. when God's judgement fell on the covenant breakers in Jerusalem, and He took His house off the face of the earth forever doing away with the sacrificial system and the way laid down to point to Jesus. That age is done. Is it not? You can claim only idiots believe different than you, but I think the WHOLE bible fit's with this view so much better than the "waiting for Him to bring His kingdom" view. I believe He brought it and I’m in it right now, if that makes me an idiot then guilty as charged.

I want to ask about this here: @Journeyman @Jimbone @garee @everyoneelse

2 Thessalonians 2:4, how do you guys see this in the amil view? Is this future to you, or past? Is this one man or many men? Is this the pope as the reformers said?

The end of the age is completed by the return of Christ, even he said as such, all of daniels prophesies concerning the gentile rulers over jerusalem would also come to an end with the return of christ, and as paul said, it will not be until the end of that age that Israel repents and is saved, but until then, there will be a remnant, in the mean time, us gentiles should not be puffed up in pride.

Ever heard of hitler? stalin? And all the saranic influences over in the middle east decieved by satan and murdering Gods children?

Well since there has to have been God's true temple on earth, I would have to go "past". As far as who this scripture spoke of, I think a strong case can be made for Titus, and his son after him. As far as the details of exactly how this happen, and who was what I don't know really, I wasn't there. Let me ask you, are we waiting for Him to bring His kingdom still?

Has any group benefited from the we will be raptured doctrine?
Long term it seems to make a mockery of scripture.

Has any group benefited from the we will be raptured doctrine?
Long term it seems to make a mockery of scripture.

I agree, but honestly don't understand the "puffed up with pride" part. Was that directed towards me, if so what part of my comment came across as prideful? If not I'm sorry for misunderstanding, it's not a big deal or anything, I just couldn't understand why you added that. Bottom line I agree 100%, pride is a sin, but I don't see at all how my comment came of at all prideful, so I just wanted clarification.

You ever heard of modern medicine, modern food production, worldwide communication, unlimited information at our fingertips anytime. Yes I know men are evil, but if you for 1 second, even in the face of all the evil, think the world we live in is not better now than it was 2,000 years ago then I don't know what to tell you. Yes because of worldwide communication mans evil is more visible, but as a whole you can't deny the world is getting better, and all going under Him. In my understanding.

The kingdom of God doesn't come with observable signs, it is and was and is to come.