Not By Works

What about these?

List of Commands of Jesus

• Repent—Matthew 4:17
• Follow Me—Matthew 4:19
• Rejoice when you are persecuted for following Jesus—Matthew 5:12
• Let Your Light Shine by good deeds—Matthew 5:16
• Teach God’s Law given Moses & the Prophets—Matthew 5:17–18
• Do Not Be Angry with your brother--Matthew 5:21-22
• Do Not Insult Others By Calling Them Fools--Matthew 5:22
• Be Reconciled with the one you offended—Matthew 5:24–25
• Do Not Covet A Married Woman—Matthew 5:27–28
• Repent from sin by cutting off the temptation, or go to hell---Matt 5:29-30
• Don't say more than 'yes' or 'no' to prove you are truthful —Matthew 5:37 (outside court is implied)
• Do Not Retaliate Against Evil Persons Who Strike You--Matthew 5:38-39
• Sacrifice Beyond What Others Demand You Give—Matthew 5:38–42
• Love Your Enemies—Matthew 5:44
• Pray For Those Who Persecute You---Matthew 5:44
• Be Perfect—Matthew 5:48
• Give In Secret And Not Where Others Can See You Giving—Matthew 6:1–4
• Do Not Pray Alone In Public Where Others Can See You--Matthew 6:5-6
• Do Not Pray Repetitious Prayers--Matthew 5:7-8
• Do Not Lay Up Treasures on Earth (that Sacrifices Treasures in Heaven)—Matthew 6:19–20
• Seek Above All God’s Kingdom, and God will provide materially—Matthew 6:33
• Do Not Judge By Standards You Cannot Meet—Matthew 7:1-3
• Do Not Cast Pearls Before Mockers Who Are Not Listening—Matthew 7:6. (See our study.)
• Be Persistent in Prayer - Ask, Seek, and Knock—Matthew 7:7–8
• Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You—Matthew 7:12
• Choose the Narrow Way That Leads to Life—Matthew 7:13–14
• Beware of False Prophets Who Have Signs & Wonders But Work Lawlessness / Negation of the Law given Moses—Matthew 7:15
• Pray God Sends Co-Laborers To Spread Good News—Matthew 9:38
• Be Wise as Serpents—Matthew 10:16
• Fear God, Not Man—Matthew 10:26 and Matthew 10:28
• Take My Yoke (Training) Upon You (Obey)—Matthew 11:29
• Do not blaspheme (insult) Yahweh's name for it is unpardonable — Matthew 12:31
• Honor Your Parents (means Support in Poverty)—Matthew 15:4
• Beware The Pharisees Matthew 16:6; 23:23;15:6
• Deny Yourself, Take Up Your Cross & Follow Me—Luke 9:23
• Repent From Sin And Turn in Deep Sorrow For Justification--Luke 18:9-14
• Despise Not Little Children —Matthew 18:10
• Go to Those Who Wrong You And Confront Over Their Wrong—Matthew 18:15
• Beware of Covetousness; life is not in the abundance you have—Luke 12:15
• Forgive Those Who Wrong You, even if they keep wronging you over and over—Matthew 18:21–22
• Stay Married Unless God Allows Separation For Adultery—Matthew 19:6; 5:31-32
• Never Seek To Rule Over Other Believers—Matthew 20:26–28
• Be A People Producing Fruit, Or You Will Not Receive the Kingdom--Matthew 21:4
• Invite To Meals The Poor, the Lame, etc.—Luke 14:12–14
• Render to Caesar What Belongs to Caesar—Matthew 22:19–21
• Render to God What Belongs to God--Matthew 22:19-21
• Love the Lord [Yahweh] with all your heart, mind and soul—Matthew 22:37–38
• Praise, honor and worship the name of Yahweh. Matt 6:9
• Make the name of Yahweh known to fulfill the will of Christ in His prayer to the Father. John 17:6
• Love Your Neighbor—Matthew 22:39
• Call no man father, e.g. father Abraham — Matthew 23:9
• Await My Return; Do Not Listen To Imposters in the Wilderness or Private Places Saying It Is Me; My Return Will Be Universally Seen—Matthew 24:4-6, 23-27
• Produce spiritual profits, and God's abundant blessings will flow. Otherwise, what you have in blessings will be taken away. (Matt. 25:29. Cf. Matt 13:12)
• Try to understand my message, and more understanding will be given. If you don't, what little understanding you have will be taken away. (Matt 13:12.)
• Be "Alive Again" / "Born Again" - Like the Prodigal Who Repented from Sin and Headed Back to the Father—John 3:7; Luke 15:11-32
• Be Shrewd With Money, Using it to Gain Friends to lead them to the Kingdom. Luke 16:1-16 (discussed).
• If You Love Me, Keep My Commandments—John 14:15
• Watch and Pray—Matthew 26:41
• Feed My Sheep—John 21:15–16
• Baptize My Disciples—Matthew 28:19
• Teach The Nations (including Gentiles) All That I Have Commanded--Matthew 28:19
• Receive God’s Power—Luke 24:49
• Make Disciples of All Nations, Teaching Them to Observe All That I Commanded You —Matthew 28:20
• Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34.)

God is producing Sons. The Sons inherit the house and lands. The slaves do not.

Not promoting disobedience or unbelief by any means. But, wasn't your post the one that said we must understand the Word correctly? My words of course.

It is NOT an open forum to those that have been banned,

Why can't you answer how you can rationalize and justify to yourself that your lies and deceptions aren't sin?

Its a strange site this one

One person says the new covenant was written to jews who wanted an inferior way
Another says it may take you many years to truly love God
Someone else believes deep understanding is overturning the plainly written word in reputable English translations of the bible with concordances and the greek
And another claiming if you lose your justification/righteousness before God by only having belief/faith for a while you remain in a saved state.

Why can't YOU answer my post.
Instead of worrying about what a big sinner I am???

Too difficult for you?

Perfect obedience?

I agree with you that belief doesnt mean just thinking about stuff.

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

^Correlation between believe and obedience!

Every day example: I tell someone to shoe the horse cause we're going on a trip riding on concrete. They believe me = they will do it. They didnt believe me = they didnt do it.

Its a strange site this one

One person says the new covenant was written to jews who wanted an inferior way
Another says it may take you many years to truly love God
Someone else believes deep understanding is overturning the plainly written word in reputable English translations of the bible with concordances and the greek
And another claiming if you lose your justification/righteousness before God by only having belief/faith for a while you remain in a saved state.

God sent His only Son to teach us what He always wanted us to know all through the O.T. but it was necessary to "see" for ourselves how we are to be...and that is like Jesus.

So believing means that we trust everything Jesus tells us (and the N.T. writers who continued Jesus' ministry).

Now it becomes a matter of knowing what Jesus taught.

Godsgrace101

Can you not see what you have actually said in these sentences? You are saying that obedience to the written words is how we become like Jesus. How is this different than the OT Jews following Torah?

You are eliminating the inner work of Holy Spirit which is what grace really means.

grace: OT


חָנַן

chânan


khaw-nan'

A primitive root (compare H2583); properly to bend or stoop in kindness to an inferior; to favor, bestow; causatively to implore (that is, move to favor by petition): - beseech, X fair, (be, find, shew) favour (-able), be (deal, give, grant (gracious (-ly), intreat, (be) merciful, have (shew) mercy (on, upon), have pity upon, pray, make supplication, X very.
Total KJV occurrences: 77

Grace: NT


G5485

χάρις

charis

khar'-ece


From G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): - acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace (-ious), joy liberality, pleasure, thank (-s, -worthy).

Total KJV occurrences: 156


OT grace of law is inability to produce righteousness but granted in kindness because of faith in sacrificial blood. Outward work.

NT grace is ability of Holy Spirit given within to produce the image of Jesus in our life through the new birth.
Inner work.

We cannot judge another Christians life unless we are perfect in our own. That's what Paul mean't. I think a lot of Christians get caught in works because of this. And none of us are perfect. But altogether in Him, we make up perfection in His body. Each of us excel in some quality He has given.

You are correct; God perfects obedience in us.

Who said the NC was written to the Jews?
Did they say that all the writings after the Gospels were written to the Jews?

If so can you quote the post where that was said.
Because I would have to disagree.

After all we know Paul took the Gospel to the gentiles and Jesus came for the Jews

Can't get any more simple than that!
YOU stay close to God and follow His ways and you'll NEVER have to worry about loss of salvation because you're a child of God and will always be one as long as you stay close to Him.
And remember that He will always forgive your sins when you're sorry about them.
1 John 1:8-10
1 John 2:1

Okey dokey

What is this perfect obedience in us and how does it manifest in us?

God bless you. You know what yuo just said, the words i have said about the BAPTISM debate here. I said in the baptismal regeneration thread that this is a useless argument because if we just followed the Bible and got baptized INSTANTLY we wouldnt have to worry about if its required or not, since every is baptized!

I now declare this debate USELESS as well! Like you said: If we are walking in the light even as He is in the light, WE DONT GOTTA WORRY or know about conditional or unconditional or losable or not losable, ITS IRRELEVANT, if we walk in faith to Jesus!

It is NOT an open forum to those that have been banned,

Why can't you answer how you can rationalize and justify to yourself that your lies and deceptions aren't sin?

Jesus only came to the Jews?
So why does anyone have to look for any post?
YOU yourself has just proved what the other member stated.

So, we can ignore all the teachings of Christ and you think Paul taught something different??

Many believe the above Bill.
And you know this.
John 10:16

The perfect obedience in us is the obedience of faith.
We have faith...and so we obey.
Romans 1:5
We are to BELIEVE and to OBEY.
It's written right there in black and white.

1.

john 6
27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

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2.

Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

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3.

1 peter 1

3.Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

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4.

1 john 3

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

philippians 3

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith

romans 4

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.





1. saved by grace through faith

2. being made new and given new desires to conform to Him (and He that began a good work in us will continue to the day of Christ)


3. He promises eternal security to His own....



4. It is the imputed righteousness of Jesus that saves us... He gets the glory....




This thread was made to give God the glory....


seems a lot of folk just can't accept God for who He is....

The perfect obedience in us is the obedience of faith.
We have faith...and so we obey.
Romans 1:5
We are to BELIEVE and to OBEY.
It's written right there in black and white.

Rubbish

Matthew 10:5-8
Jesus Sends Out the Twelve Apostles
Matt 10:5-15 // Mark 6:6b-13 // Luke 9:1-6;
5 Jesus sent out the twelve apostles with these instructions: “Don’t go to the Gentiles or the Samaritans,6 but only to the people of Israel—God’s lost sheep.7 Go and announce to them that the Kingdom of Heaven is near.8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cure those with leprosy, and cast out demons. Give as freely as you have received!

I have proved nothing concerning the other member.
I was asking if said member said that all the epistles were written to the Jews only please quote it

Remember the NC had not started until Jesus died and rose again.

After that I said "Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.

The Gospel is Jesus which is what Paul took to the Gentiles. As I said.

Nice try Fran but no cigar