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TheLearner

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My view is:

All Spiritual gifts are active until the second coming as the Holy Spirit sees a need for them to testifly to the Gospel.

The tongues, human languages I see in Pentecostal Circles today are not the same as Acts 2.

The likely cause of this is simply Human Group Think.

Scientific Research into Glossolalia today, demonstrates that no languages of any kind are being spoken.

Xenolalia

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Evidence of ecstatic utterance in history



The most ancient evidence that we have is from the report of Winamon, a young man who was the worshipper of the Egyptian God Amon. The report which is dated approximately 1100 BCsays that as he was worshipping Amon in the temple he was overwhelmed in a state of frenzy which continued throughout the night and he spoke in some ecstatic language. We don’t know if it was a legitimate language or just religious frenzy, gibberish, but it is clear that the tongues was the direct result of this kind of possession and control by a god, although it just could have been brought on by emotion which is true in a lot of cases.



Plato also reports religious ecstatics in roughly the 5th century BC. In the accounts we can observe that in each instance reported by Plato the speaker had no control over his mental faculties, he did not know what he was saying, there was the need for some sort of interpreter or diviner who would tell what was said, and the person was allegedly under the control of a god.



Virgil, writing about 17-19 BC, mentions a Sibyline priestess who would go into an ecstatic state where she was unified with the spirit of Apollo, and she would begin to speak in tongues, in ecstatic utterance. They claimed that it was known language. This is in pagan Greek worship of Apollo that she was probably possessed by a demon and spoke in a legitimate or a known language as well as in incoherent gibberish.



Then we have the Pythoness, the Oracle at Delphi. She had the symbol of a python and the Oracle at Delphi had to do with the worship of Apollo during part of the year and the worship of Dionysus, the god of wine, another part of the year. Some four centuries later Chrysostom made the following observation about the pythoness of Delphi: “This same pythoness is said, being a female, to sit at times upon the tripod of Apollo astride, and thus the evil spirit ascending from beneath and entering the lower part of her body fills the woman with madness. And she with dishevelled hair begins to foam at the mouth, and thus being in a frenzy, to utter the words of her madness.”



Also in the Greek world at this time was the rise of what was known as mystery religions. They were all mystical and emotional in their orientation, not too different from a lot of new age religions that we see in our own culture and not too dissimilar to some of the more extreme Charistmatic groups as well, and ecstatic utterance was associated with numerous other groups. So the point we should get from this is that throughout the ancient world from 1100 BC up to the New Testament period there were counterfeit tongues, an ecstatic utterance that was typical of many ancient Near-Eastern religions where they thought that the way to become spiritual and identified with their god was to go into an ecstatic trance where the god entered into the body of the individual, controlled it, and spoke through that individual. We see that there is a background of a pseudo-language or ecstatic utterance that runs through all kinds of religions and countries in the ancient world. ."http://www.divineviewpoint.com/sane/dbm/setup/1Corinth/1Cor087.htm
 

TheLearner

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http://dailyqt.org/docs/corinthianmysteryreligions.pdf
https://mustardseedlings.com/2015/0...-christians-at-corinth-the-mystery-religions/

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Euripides describes the advent of Dionysiac religion to Thebes thus:

’This city, first in Hellas, now shrills and echoes to my women’s cries, their ecstasy of joy’
(Bacchae, 11, 20-24)​
The word used here for ’cry’ is olulugia, defined by the Etymologicum Magnum as ’the sound which women make to exult in worship’ and by E.R. Dodds as ’the women’s ritual cry of triumph or thanksgiving’. Pausaniastells of ’the mountain they say was called Eva from the Bacchic cry ’Evoe’ which Dionysus and his attendant women first uttered there’ (Descr. of Greece, IV, xxxi)



Menander also demonstrates women’s role in worship:

’We were offering sacrifice five times a day, and seven serving women were beating cymbals around us while the rest of the women pitched high the chant (olulugia)’
(Fragment 326).​
"https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles11.htm

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3142636?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
 

Blain

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I believe that none of the gifts have ceased and won't cease until all is said and done.
 
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Spiritual Gifts are just what that are - Jesus gives as He pleases, but we must take responsibility
for these Holy Gifts and use them as He leads...
 

noblenut

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spiritual gifts don't just happen, we usually have an aptitude for certain things from childhood and as we grow so do these gifts, but when we come to God they become even more defined, i have a gift for understanding things, which was indicated as a child but only now has fully developed into something useful for the church
 

glf1

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Jn 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth upon me, the works that I do shall he d also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

Jesus is still with the Father and there's no way to do works that are greater than his without the gifts of the Spirit being active to do so.

That being the case: 1 Cor 13:10 "But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away," can only be referring to Jesus, whom we'll see face to face when he returns for us from the Father and we know as we're known for knowing in part of any kind will be done away.

But since the gifts of the Spirit operate by faith, it's impossible to use them without believing in them, even though they're still available to us today.
 

jb

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Did a short blog on the gifts of the Spirit, you can find it Here (Part I), Here (Part II) and Here (Part III)...

Should also say that by rejecting the gifts of the Spirit, you completely remove Christ's working through HIS Body, The Church!
 
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To the op,
No doubt,no matter what God does through believers as gifts and empowerment we can count on 2 things.
1) man will pervert it
2) the devil will counterfeit it or copy it

Oh,and 3) those that speak in tongues will be misconstrued as speaking random mental babble.