Should we follow Jewish or Gentile early Christian Fathers

What a silly corruption of what she wrote! "Hebrew Roots" is a movement of confusion, attempting to drag Christians back into observance of the Mosaic law from which the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ freed them. It is not "another way of saying...".

Why do you do this? Why do you completely change what people write, and then claim that is what they wrote? It's called a strawman fallacy, and it's generally employed by people who don't know how to form a sound argument. Kindly stop using it.

We do not know Christ after the knowledge of this world.

I would say we need to know what form of government in which time period which was be restored when the time of reformation came. I am not sure of any commandment that requires we follow acultural understanding .Cultural understanding would seem to be more of the oral traditions of men.

Neither ! Why are you working so hard to undo the work of Jesus Christ on the cross ? Your spirit kills the simplicity of the Gospel.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
It’s plain to see right there .
Also stay off your horse . Your going to get a nose bleed up there .
Blessings
Bill

The title of the OP is divisive in itself and reminds me of the church at Corinth in their proud following of others. Therefore it was divided; 1 Corinthians 3:4, and carnal; 1 Corinthians 3:3.

Aren't we supposed to avoid this in the body, those who cause division, not to mention those who teach contrary to true doctrine? Romans 16:17?

Following any man to the point of making it divisive is something to be avoided. Do we realize that even Christ was being misused to cause division by those who said "We follow Christ" 1 Corinthians 1:12, 13? Yes, that too was divisive, Christ was being misused and his office title used in vain.

We have some here, who in spite of Scripture still behave this way, that is, they behave in a carnal manner, are quarrelsome and divisive in their claiming "I follow Christ!" (meaning not Paul) sowing both discord and causing division. Paul rebukes all sides of the schism in 1 Corinthians 1:13.

Yet this goes to another level of arrogant and proud division when others are told by the complicit they don't know, read, or follow Scripture.

That my friends is carnal and divisive behavior.

If in fact our friend here is 94 years of age, I do apologize if I am coming across harsh here, but it needs to be said because it is unbiblical. Blik, with all due respect you should know better, especially sir if you are indeed the age that you state you are.

For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe's people, that there are quarrels among you. Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ." Has Christ been divided?
1 Corinthians 1:11‭-‬13 NASB

For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.
Galatians 3:27‭-‬29 NASB

nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith. But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.
1 Timothy 1:4‭-‬7 NASB

But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.
Titus 3:9‭-‬11 NASB

Such factions do not exist among believers we are one body, redeemed from such divisions.

I find this very interesting and would love to know the truth.

I have heard similar things regarding this. That the gentiles distanced themselves from their Jewish roots for fear of the Romans.

The Bible does teach us that the tree that bare the branches, some were broken off because they did not believe in Christ, and the gentiles who believed in Christ was added to it. So there is a connection, because the root bared Israel before Jesus came, and only those who believed in Christ stayed in the root, and then the gentile believers were added with the Jewish believers, in the root that was baring Israel before Christ.

There are many traditions of men. The Bible talks about rejecting Gods word to keep their own traditions and keeping doctrines of men. (Mark 7)

I remember reading somewhere about Polycarp, disciple of John. When the Bishop of Rome was trying to get him (and others) to observe Easter and he refused, because he observe Passover. Then, if memory serves me, he was murdered.

So if John's disciple refused to observe Easter, and Easter is a mistranslated (whether purposely or not), then this could very well mean Easter is an invention, a doctrine, a tradition of men by the Church of Rome.

I'm on board for more discussion and information regarding this matter.

I am so glad our preachers and Sunday school teachers don't roll their eyes at us. It is sort of belittling if not rude.

But anyhow. Who lead the church up to Act 11:26?

I am not sure who "led" the church. But Polycarp was the Bishop of Smryna, wasn't he a Gentile? Does anyone know?

Guess I don't get out much. I never heard of a movement called "hebrew roots". Interesting. Will go look that up.

We are not to follow anything but God, not culture or someone interpretation of God. But if we don't understand what scripture is saying about God, how can we follow it? And if we don't know the language and way of the person telling us what God is saying, how can we know from his words what he is trying to express?

I am working, praying, and fasting for God's spirit in me, and that is leading me to try to convince people to accept the word as truth. ONLY the word. People's eternal life depends on it.

Christ is God. Why would speaking of God to you be against Him?

How could we be working for division if we check the doctrines of our church with what the word tells us to see if they truly agree be dividing? It is checking our church history for divisions and putting unity with God back.

[QUOTE="Locoponydirtman, post: 3849732, member: 275951"
Such factions do not exist among believers we are one body, redeemed from such divisions.[/QUOTE] If you truly believe that there is no difference between accepted church doctrines and the doctrines of the Lord you are being blind to God.

Yes Polycarp was a gentile, as was TITUS to whom Paul wrote!

Polycarp was a gentile. At the time he was a Christian leader the Roman church excommunicated any church who observed the holidays asked for in scripture such as Passover. Polycarp opposed the Roman church, saying the feasts God asks for should be observed.

Will you be honest with us and answer a couple of questions so we will know what you believe?

Do you believe that keeping the sabbath is according to Scripture?
Do you believe that keeping the Sabbath is necessary for salvation?

To coin a phrase" Jesus is the way "

I think it is one of those one day at a time or one moment or one verse or even one word at a time. He instructs us to study in order to seek His approval . An interpretation that was not understood before can come if we continue to seek his approval according to the loving commandment.

If we would compare the spiritual understanding to the unseen spiritual (faith to faith) according to the prescription for rightly dividing is word. He then can have success in teaches us and bringing to our memories the things he has taught us.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corithians 4:18

The word Sabbath is used two ways. One as a cerimoinal law or carnal ordinace by which we cannot judge each other with . And the true sabbath God working to give us rest, softening our hearts as we do mix faith (believe Him not seen) in what we do hear or see.

God kept the sabbath on the 7th day. It remains to be kept by Him as the tool he uses to soften our hard hearts.

I don't think it matters a wit what I believe, I try to keep myself out of it. I do think it matters what is the truth in the Lord.

According to scripture it tells us that we are to keep the Sabbath and the Sabbath is the last day of the week.

The only way to salvation is through Christ's blood the Lord with His grace gives us salvation. We are told to take our sins to Christ with repentance and through that the Father gives us salvation. However, God is one, and not three altho there are three attributes we are told of.

You cannot go to the Lord telling Him "I keep the Sabbath, so give me salvation". Frankly, to purposely sin over and over seems to me to be questionable. Where is repentance in that? Yet, we know we are human and humans sin.