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Jesus did not say adultery (cheating) was grounds for divorce he used the term fornication.Is there a difference?
If you consider these questions and find the correct answers then you may see that your position is not as sound as it seems:
The questions we need to ask and answer to be assured of what the Christian position on divorce should be:
1)For whose benefit was the provision for putting away introduced?
2)When was the offence committed?
3)If the conditions which existed, in the times Moses permitted and Jesus upheld the putting away, do not exist today, is it still necessary, to accomplish what it did in their
times?
4) In the case of adultery committed in a marriage, what should the Christian response be?
And who would decide who qualifies as, "the couple married in the eyes of God in the first place"?
This seems a recipe for anarchy.Remember Jesus also said:
"For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."(Matthew 19:12)
Matthew 19:10-12
“10 His Disciples say unto Him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry (their thinking was wrong [Prov. 18:22]).
11 But He said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given (in effect, Christ is saying that all should marry, save the few who are called of God to do otherwise; the next Verse tells us what that is).
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb (accident of birth — no sex drive whatsoever): and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men (castrated, in order to serve the State, which was a custom then): and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven’s sake (personal resolve, were not castrated, as the Apostle Paul). He who is able to receive it, let him receive it (refers to the last group, and speaks of those called of the Lord for such a task, which would be few).”
JSM
“10 His Disciples say unto Him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry (their thinking was wrong [Prov. 18:22]).
11 But He said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given (in effect, Christ is saying that all should marry, save the few who are called of God to do otherwise; the next Verse tells us what that is).
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb (accident of birth — no sex drive whatsoever): and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men (castrated, in order to serve the State, which was a custom then): and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven’s sake (personal resolve, were not castrated, as the Apostle Paul). He who is able to receive it, let him receive it (refers to the last group, and speaks of those called of the Lord for such a task, which would be few).”
JSM
"Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD."(Proverbs 18:22)
Not good to marry doesn't negate a wife being a good thing and being a blessing from the Lord.The assumption here would be that this wife was one approved of by the Lord.The disciples were concerned about the strict conditions and the sacrifices they would need to make if anything went wrong in their marriage situations.Not that marriage was bad/wrong.
Notice Jesus did not completly reject the disciples position but gave the conditions which would make it possible to achieve the intention.He is not saying all should marry.He did not say, "no men cannot receive this saying".
How do you know it is only a few who may need to abide as eunuchs?The fact is,any person who may find themselves in a position where marrying would cause them to be sinning against God would be among those who will make themselves eunuchs for the kingdom's sake.(See;I Corinthians 7:10,11,39;Romans 7:1-3)
Not good to marry doesn't negate a wife being a good thing and being a blessing from the Lord.The assumption here would be that this wife was one approved of by the Lord.The disciples were concerned about the strict conditions and the sacrifices they would need to make if anything went wrong in their marriage situations.Not that marriage was bad/wrong.
Notice Jesus did not completly reject the disciples position but gave the conditions which would make it possible to achieve the intention.He is not saying all should marry.He did not say, "no men cannot receive this saying".
How do you know it is only a few who may need to abide as eunuchs?The fact is,any person who may find themselves in a position where marrying would cause them to be sinning against God would be among those who will make themselves eunuchs for the kingdom's sake.(See;I Corinthians 7:10,11,39;Romans 7:1-3)
Fornication can be seen as any illegal sexual activity. whether it be sex before marriage or sex outside the marriage or any of the other forms of sexual degeneracy that we Christians should not even discuss in public..
An Individual Christian can take what ever action seems right in regard to their own marriage when their partner has been unfaithful.. They can seek to stay married to that person if they deem it the best way to proceed.. If not then they can divorce..
An Individual Christian can take what ever action seems right in regard to their own marriage when their partner has been unfaithful.. They can seek to stay married to that person if they deem it the best way to proceed.. If not then they can divorce..
I thank God that I'm not a eunuch. What a miserable existence.
I really don't believe that God wants anyone to stay in a physically and verbally abusive marriage. Or being married to a husband who refuses to work to support his family and who wastes financial resources buying alcohol. God gives us a certain measure of common sense and perhaps a little wisdom too. I would not advise anyone to stay in a loveless unhappy marriage.
These are the types of marriages that God probably did not join the couple together in the first place. If there is any doubt about this and you have met a decent person to consider becoming your spouse I would just tell God that I'm sorry if I got it wrong about Him not joining together in the previous marriage but now you have found someone who loves you and you love them back.
People get remarried all the time that have suffered horribly in a previous marriage. That's just the way that it is. I find no shame in this and would certainly not judge anyone who is in this type of situation.
I really don't believe that God wants anyone to stay in a physically and verbally abusive marriage. Or being married to a husband who refuses to work to support his family and who wastes financial resources buying alcohol. God gives us a certain measure of common sense and perhaps a little wisdom too. I would not advise anyone to stay in a loveless unhappy marriage.
These are the types of marriages that God probably did not join the couple together in the first place. If there is any doubt about this and you have met a decent person to consider becoming your spouse I would just tell God that I'm sorry if I got it wrong about Him not joining together in the previous marriage but now you have found someone who loves you and you love them back.
People get remarried all the time that have suffered horribly in a previous marriage. That's just the way that it is. I find no shame in this and would certainly not judge anyone who is in this type of situation.
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reading this thread is like getting slapped around
so many opinions and personal tiffs
must be the BDF
Jesus said adultery was grounds for divorce. Paul was single and said he wished people could live like him
like that was 2000 years ago (not exact number please do not stone me)
best sometimes to understand the point of the words rather than the literal interpretation
carry on
so many opinions and personal tiffs
must be the BDF
Jesus said adultery was grounds for divorce. Paul was single and said he wished people could live like him
like that was 2000 years ago (not exact number please do not stone me)
best sometimes to understand the point of the words rather than the literal interpretation
carry on
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my personal belief is that there is more than one way to break your vows
however, adultery is certainly a reason and not an excuse. I would recommend people try to work it out...but even if they don't or can't or the adulter keeps at it, I do not see condemnation on anyone who says 'I'm out'
as for mr cross, well, look who his mentor is
of all the people to choose, Swaggart is in no position to call anyone else an adulterer
you can't make this stuff up
sin is sin, but IMO, if a person has committed these sins as a Christian, they are NOT in the position to judge others who did what they did
I would think some mercy would be more fitting...not excusing sin, but taking a good look in the mirror of your own soul
some folks would rather stone others though if it makes them feel more 'righteous'
we know what Jesus said about that
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My first marriage that lasted 6 1/2 years ended up in divorce in 1984.
Even though my X was both physically and verbally abusive, lazy, and selfish it was not the reason for the divorce. Nor was her cheating on me repeatedly. The reason I was divorced is because my X filed for divorce because she said she did not love me and probably never did. It has nothing at all to do with the Finished Work at Calvary's Cross. There was certainly no victory won either as my life was now in shambles in trying to maintain my relationship with my daughter who was 5 years old at the time.
As for these so-called blessings, it appears that you believe that blessings of grace are earned. If so, than these are not blessings but rather payment for what was earned. Truthfully though, the blessing of grace that flowed through the cross for me was that I was no longer married to that horrible woman.
I am not getting this 'spiritually adultery' stuff you are spouting either.
Even though my X was both physically and verbally abusive, lazy, and selfish it was not the reason for the divorce. Nor was her cheating on me repeatedly. The reason I was divorced is because my X filed for divorce because she said she did not love me and probably never did. It has nothing at all to do with the Finished Work at Calvary's Cross. There was certainly no victory won either as my life was now in shambles in trying to maintain my relationship with my daughter who was 5 years old at the time.
As for these so-called blessings, it appears that you believe that blessings of grace are earned. If so, than these are not blessings but rather payment for what was earned. Truthfully though, the blessing of grace that flowed through the cross for me was that I was no longer married to that horrible woman.
I am not getting this 'spiritually adultery' stuff you are spouting either.
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