Praying in Tongues

Fallacy: equivocation.

All of Scripture is "God-breathed" (inspired) and therefore is "God's word." However, there are prophecies recorded in Scripture that are not God's words.

Perhaps a syllogism written from my perspective, contrasted with one written from yours, will clarify what I'm saying:

My view:
Scripture and prophecy are not synonymous.
Prophecy may be recorded in Scripture, and portions of Scripture are prophecy.
Therefore, Peter's words, "no prophecy of Scripture" make perfect sense.

Your view:
Prophecy and Scripture are synonymous.
All prophecy is Scripture, and all Scripture is prophecy.
Therefore, Peter's words, "no prophecy of Scripture" don't make sense.

Maby you overread that I said. All WHO CAME TO HIM where healed. Matth. 13.58 and Mark 6.5 report the same event in Nazareth. There stand nothing that the came to him.

It would seem you are isolating "no prophecy of Scripture"...... from...... is of any private interpretation as a incomplete sentence. Then the reason is given "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost".

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.2 Peter 1:20-21

My view:
Prophecy as words spoken, and Scripture, the media of writing that which was declared . it would be as the phrase, "as it is written".

Three times in Mathew 4 the father of lies spoke false prophecy to Jesus. Words inspired from earth of the devil according to .James 3:15 And three, with three representing the end of the matter Jesus said again and again, "as it is written" to emphasize God's written media is the validator of the unseen spiritual truths of God. No oral traditions as private interpretations of any man.

The Holy Spirit of Christ brings true prophecy inspired from heaven, as it is written. and not after the oral traditions of men under the inspiration of the father of lies Satan

In one sense Jesus could of used what is said in 2 Peter 1:20-21 Its the same as saying as it written, by the finger of God.

Oral traditions of men written down are private interpretations they would fit idea the prophecy of scripture written by the finger of man .

The father of lies tool or tradition used to make as it is written by the finger of God to no effect. God's tradition .

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

The question I would ask is in respect to the word ALL . Is that All that were there or as many as the Holy Spirit worked in as a work of Christ's faith giving the faith to be healed? And it was not of their own or nothing to do with the person being healed or the hands or will used to mediate.

They simply heard the gospel and as a sign that followed God would periodically heal of this ailment or that to represent the power of the gospel .

Below in Acts 14 is a perfect example showing the gospel effect on a person not having the ability to walk used as a parable to understand walking by faith.(believing God not seen)

Christ gave them the faith coming from the gospel to be healed and as a sign that followed. Again He would periodically heal of this ailment or that to represent the power of the gospel . .Not a sign a person seeks after of ones own self .We walk by faith (Christ's) the unseen eternal not after the temporal thing seen the imaginations of ones own heart and fleshly minds

And there they "preached the gospel".And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The "gods are come down to us in the likeness of men". And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, Acts 14:7-14

Again it would like the first time being dead in or trespasses and sin spiritually lame and when we heard the words of our salvation enabling us to walk by the faith of Christ the gospel of our salvation. The apostles apposed that the work of their hands they had nothing to do with the work of God.

Men who were not believers (no faith) when they witnessed the event they did that which is natural for those who walk by sight seeking a sign and wonders gospel . They said gods are coming in the likeness of man. In the end violating the first commandment to have no gods before our living God.

I believe it is no different today. Why make those who put there hands on others or minister the word into gods in the likeness of men? Preach the gospel let God decide who he will heal or choses not. We have the privilege to pray. God has to power to move men to be healed.

****Always remember if there is a counterfeit, there is also a "real". If you were afraid of money just because some money is counterfeit you would never use money. Yes, enter into the true things of the Spirit and don't let the fear of others block you. Jesus is our example and He walked in love, but also power.

On what basis do you say there are fake tongues? Is it because it sounds different from yours? Is it because of the behavior of the one speaking in tongues? Is it because it fails to meet 1 Cor 12-14? how?

You accused 88 of saying there are fake tongues; he didn't.

He said IF there is a counterfeit.... He didn't even specify "tongues".

So, do you believe there are some fake tongues today? why or why not?

I'm not so easily baited.

I'm not asking so as to bait anyone, i'm asking a genuine question and looking forward to a sincere answer.

Define "fake tongues", and I will consider providing a sincere answer.

Genuine tongues= gift from the Holy spirit
Fake tongues= Not from the Holy spirit/God

So, do you believe there are some fake tongues today? why or why not?

Well, in the past I worked out all verses in the Gospel where Jesus healed. And I found out that several Times it is written , that all we're healed ore cast out demons from those which came to Him.
( for the pitty i have this outwork at moment not among with me.)

And I Met not only here,believers, which claim that Jesus heals today as he did while he was in earth.

If then I would also expect the same result as in the Time of Jesus ministrie on earth.
But this is not!
That means not that he is not healing today.

Further I See an different between church life and Mission ministrie. In the missionfield it is obivious, that the Lord works more extraordinary through Wonders and healings then in the Church.

Yes, I believe there are some fake tongues, according to the definition above, because some ungifted people want to appear gifted, and because unclean spirits are empowering some fakes.

Yes, I believe there are some fake tongues, according to the definition above, because some ungifted people want to appear gifted, and because unclean spirits are empowering some fakes.

On what basis would you say this is fake tongue? Is it because of the behavior of the person or because it fails to meet the 1 Cor 14?

Let me use specific examples; most of the snake handlers churches also speak in tongues and they all argue that they are gifted as per Acts/Mark 16/ 1 Cor 12-14.

Q1. Do you believe they are genuinely gifted by the Holy spirit to speak in tongues?
Q2. If not, why? Is it because of their false doctrine (snake handling)?

On what basis would you say this is fake tongue?

Hi thanks for the reply. It would seem we are close to agreeing, possibly the same looking at it from different perspectives?

All as in as many that the father gives the faith of Christ in order to be healed. 3000 were healed from death to eternal life at Pentecost when they heard the gospel...or one like in the Acts 14 example



God heals these bodies of death indiscriminately temporally healing is not the goal of the gospel, it is used to represent it in various parables which do hide the spiritual understanding. .

During the time he was here as the Son of man Jesus used certain kinds of healing to represent that men had heard the gospel. As the Spirit of Christ worked in them to both will and perform the good pleasure of God ,as a imputed righteousness.

Signs followed and not something we seek after like that of the evil generation of natural unconverted man that has no recourse except to understand or walk after the things seen the temporal . having no faith not little but none. You could say spiritually lame.



When the Son of man, Jesus was here he did use wonderment to show the work of the gospel .

When a person first believes (our first love) in their heart it is a wonderment or joyous occasion .But again not something we seek after as an out toward sign it confirm a person is walking by sight . We walk by faith the unseen eternal previously being lame and having no ability to walk by the faith that alone comes by hearing God, as it is written.