Praying in Tongues

I missed the part where Paul said speak in gibberish and hold tongues above all other gifts as the sign of a true believer.

now what is funny too, is the Kundalini, The video suggests that laying on of the hands produces a evil experience when the Word of God tells us to lay on hands. You had to seek out demons to find demons working. I just went to james 5 , and 1cor 12 to 14. And most Pentecostal would never even step foot in a kundalini meeting.

I missed the part where Paul said to speak in gibberish and hold tongues above all other gifts as the sign of a true believer.

Yet the kundalini found them and they have embraced it. One doesn’t need to seek the Holy Spirit. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation. I never said don’t lay on hands but test the spirit before accepting anything.

you need to get your false teaching straight with the group who holds that teaching which is not the of the Pentecostal church other than UPC and apostolic.

then you do not know your Bible Because Jesus said Luke 11:13

"If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?""

I’ve been to Assemblies of God churches and have witnessed it myself. The doctrine listed on the AOG website states that you must seek baptism of the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues as proof.

That refers to the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. We are called to test spirits. And tongues is never said to be a sign of living in the spirit. Prophecy is listed as higher and should be more sought after. I guess you missed that part.

wrong. The aog has point statements on that very thing. it says that Tongues is the initial evidence of one who has been filed with or baptized in the Holy Spirit. Which they too are not hold as strong as they did before. You do not know what you are talking about.

So then what was Acts 2 for? and IF the SPirit was to be outpour why did Jesus say to ask?

I've sort of asked this before in bits and pieces, but to have it all in one post -

Many tongues-speakers allude to three ‘types’, or 'categories' of tongues: real, counterfeit/fake, and demonic.

This begs a few questions –

When you hear someone speak tongues and you say it’s counterfeit/fake/ or demonic, or legit/real, what makes it that way?

What, to you, constitutes a ‘fake’ tongue?? What makes it ‘fake’? Why is it any less ‘real’ than you’re your tongue? Obviously, this doesn’t include the “woulda-coulda-shoulda-bought-a-honda” variety; or is this in fact the only criteria for a ‘fake’ tongue; i.e. an obvious play on obvious real language words?

What, to you, constitutes a ‘demonic’ tongue?? Is it the ‘words’ being spoken, the sounds themselves, the intonation or voice timbre of the speaker, just a “bad feeling” about what you’re hearing, or someone telling you that they’re ‘demonic’?? Again, what makes this type of tongue different from yours?

And of course, what, to you, makes your tongue ‘real’?? Why do you perceive it as language? What makes it so? Again, the sounds, intonation, the ‘words’, just a feeling that it’s ‘right‘ and ‘correct’? What, to you, constitutes a real/legit tongue?

I’m not looking for Bible quotes, I want it in your own words – Why do you make a distinction between the three and what constitutes a particular tongue falling into a particular category? Is it just a matter of perception (I guess some would prefer the term ‘discernment’), or something else?

I don’t mean this to be sound the wrong way, but folks, these are your three labels, not mine. I’m asking you to define these three categories more concisely/clearly.

For a bit of reference, I classify two types of glossolalia: ‘real’ and ‘fake’; but my criteria, I suspect, is very different than yours.

For me, ‘real’ would be glossolalia which is subconsciously produced; the speaker is aware of it, can control things like volume, starting and stopping, etc., but the glossic string itself is clearly ‘flowing’; it is produced seemingly without any conscious effort.

‘Fake’, on the other hand, is glossolalia which is obviously being produced with a conscious effort. It doesn’t quite flow, and it seems to involve an obvious conscious effort to produce.

I missed the part where Paul said speak in gibberish and hold tongues above all other gifts as the sign of a true believer.

Because before that moment the Holy Spirt was not in-dwelling in every believer. Yes we should be asking the Holy Spirit to work powerfully through us. But not specifically for tongues to prove to an apostate church that we have the Holy Spirit.

The issue I think is those here some, think if you seek the Holy Spirit in some way you find the devil. Think about that for a moment. If you ask the "Father " for the Holy Spirit, some teach, you get a snake. Just think about that for a moment and let that sink in.

To me real tongues would be where a person is actually saying something in some sort of language whether of heaven or somewhere in the world. Real tongues would praise God. Fake tongues would have no meaning to the words, just sounds tied together. An example of demonic would be where the speaker is speaking in a tongue that is cursing God and/or the speaker may be violent or acting wild( such as making barking sounds).

interesting

yesterday you did not know much about tongues and today you are an expert?

The issue I think is those here some, think if you seek the Holy Spirit in some way you find the devil. Think about that for a moment. If you ask the "Father " for the Holy Spirit, some teach, you get a snake. Just think about that for a moment and let that sink in.

I did not say that. I have studied and read the bible a lot as well.

I have also looked into this research of people speaking in tongues. It is a bit interesting. I think you do raise so good points and questions. What really counts is not whether or not one speaks in tongues, but love. Speaking in tongues is not so much proof of the filling of the Holy Spirit, in my opinion, as is the fruit of the Spirit evident in the life of the one who trusts in Jesus. The fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance. ( Galatians 5:22-23)

So then what was Acts 2 for? and IF the SPirit was to be outpour why did Jesus say to ask?