Are the Gospels written specifically to Jews only?

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JaumeJ

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When Jesus spoke, He was teaching all who blieve Him. There is not one message for the Jew and another for the Greek. He is one King of one Kingdom.
 

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Marcelo said: Jesus' initial mission was to racial Israelites and as far as I know He made just a few exceptions to this
Oh,I forgot you guys purposefully negate the mispeak of the rest of the bible.

But that,of course,is why you guys don't know anything about Jesus priestly ministry.

Its in Hebrews ( partly)

What a dilemma!

In order to read hebrews it will be near impossible to take it seriously since paul may not have " written" it.

But you guys would just be bogged down by Jesus' priesthood or his born again mispeak,or that mispeak of jn 3;16.

I already marked through the words "whole" and "whosoever" that the Holy Spirit mistakenly inserted in there I penciled in Jew instead. I chuckle at that Jesus and Holy Spirit, who actually thought they came for non Jews.

You gotta remember you guys weren't there to correct him.
So, you mean Jesus' earthly ministry was for all, right?

Have you already given away your property to charity, as Jesus commanded? Do you perform sacrifices? Do you absolutely keep yourself from looking at other women? (according to Jesus' teaching on earth, if you look just once you're an adulterer and adulterers will go to hell). Do you keep all 613 mitzvot?
 

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Romans 9:6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.
 
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When was Jesus slain?
1 ) at the cross?
2 ) from the foundation of the world?

Oh,wait that foundation deal.
Did paul invoke it?
If not,you are excused.
I know the rest of the bible is just to Jews and such.
So why do you think Jesus said to the Canaanite woman that "I am sent only to the lost sheep of Israel?" Was he joking with her or do you think there was another reason?
 

JaumeJ

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So why do you think Jesus said to the Canaanite woman that "I am sent only to the lost sheep of Israel?" Was he joking with her or do you think there was another reason?

Meditate on just who Israel is.
 

JaumeJ

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Would you like to enlighten your readers with your wisdom?

Only God is wise. However I will comment on your sincere remark.

Do you believe once a person is saved it fulfills the prophecy that we have now the truth or the law inscribed in our inward parts, on the tablets of our hearts?

Tell me then, why, when this prophecy is given us in many places but for now in Jeremiah, it is addressed to Israel?
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

I have no understanding nor great wisdom but my Father and yours does.
 
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Only God is wise. However I will comment on your sincere remark.

Do you believe once a person is saved it fulfills the prophecy that we have now the truth or the law inscribed in our inward parts, on the tablets of our hearts?

I have no understanding nor great wisdom but my Father and yours does.
Thanks, but how does this address my question to you about the Canaanite lady?
 
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Jesus said his own Hebrew flesh it profits for nothing? The Father was there working in the Son of man to correct Him . Did the father say the flesh of a Hebrew did profit for something?
Was / is Jesus God?

When Jesus spoke of born again,the 10 virgins,watching and waiting it was for christians.
When he forgave sins outside the Jewish law,healed both Jew and Gentile,ignored their laws of washing,and broke their sabboth,..... this is a pattern for us today. Today's christians.

Jesus introduced the Law of love
Jesus introduced turning the other cheek,going the extra mile etc.
All that instruction for the modern believer.

All the above is not taken serious under your template of Paul only.

It also destroys any notion of the
gospels being OT.

The Gospels are the betrothal of the bride. The last supper is a vivid picture of the Jewish betrothal.

The Jewish betrothal was basically marriage before consumation and co habitation.
You have greatly disenfranchised yourself,by falsely deporting the non paul NT.
That skewed exegesis steps directly into doctoring of the pure word. Even the WORDS OF JESUS.
You would be wise to admit Jesus not only knew what he was talking about,but he didn't need us to annul his intended audience.
That audience was immediate and now (the whosoevers).

You guys are on dangerous ground by skewing the non pauline writings.

Very foolish and dangerous.
 

JaumeJ

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Thanks, but how does this address my question to you about the Canaanite lady?
Meditate on just who Israel is.
All who believe Go comprise Israel..

Question.

Do yu believe as being saved by Jesus Christ we have the law written in our inward parts, that is, on the tablets of our herts?
 
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Non Pauline.. what's that???

No wild cards in the deck of 66. (chapters or called books.)

The whole Bible is the good news (gospel ). Beginning in verse 1 of Genesis ending in Revelation 22 ….revealing to us God thoughts confirming His loving laws that do work in those who believe God.... who is not a man as us has spoken moving men like Paul and Moses to record His thoughts and ways..

The outward Jew whom Christ mocked according to Isaiah 28.It was because they believed not(no faith) in all things written in the law and the fathers (sola scriptura) Because they refused to walk by faith they tried to make Jesus into a circus seal . Show us a miracle as a sign and wonder and then we will believe.

Hearing the word of God prophecy and believing was not a gift to them .They rather did whatsoever their own mouths declared (Jerimiah 44) as having no faith, a froward nation. And by those oral traditions as a law of the fathers it made all things written in the law and the prophets without effect..

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Jesus called them a evil generation not being part of the new generation. the born again generation of Christ.

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: "they seek a sign"; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
Ok,in this thread we have the pauline adherants. They believe in " paul only"
The rest of the word is law,to a non christian audience.
They have a nice grasp on paul and his teaching on grace " salvation" but that one dimension as about all they live in.

So in their "Paul bubble" they evict and deport all non pauline writings.

IOW ,to them, salvation is like the "tree of paul", they only gather there,and circle it over,and over,and over.
Salvation,grace,salvation,grace,salvation, grace.

If you say "hey lookey here in James" they shriek and say "oh no,thats not for the church,thats law and ONLY FOR JEWS"

ANY non paul writings are not taken seriously.
Even revelation is not for us today.
It is sick. Very sick heresy.
They MUST ASSUME the rest of the bible is not inspired.
 
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When Jesus spoke, He was teaching all who blieve Him. There is not one message for the Jew and another for the Greek. He is one King of one Kingdom.
Yes,the immediate audience then,and the audience today,christians included.
 
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It seems to me the Bible is directed to all of us, personally but there are no "letters" directed to us by name………… There are people who believe Jesus Christ who are not able to read, and I have learned from at least one of them so our Father provides fro each of us in the way we need to know.

Of course most of us can read and shuold………….It is such joy to worship our Father, and that joy is just beginning. All blessings to all who are in Christ, Yeshua, amen...….and to those who will be too.

Well someone here told me recently you can't be saved without a Bible. So all those missionaries wasted their time. All those that came to faith without the Bible are in hell today. I've learned so much here. (sarcasm)
 
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So why do you think Jesus said to the Canaanite woman that "I am sent only to the lost sheep of Israel?" Was he joking with her or do you think there was another reason?
1) he operated outside that template
2) jn 3;16 is outside that template

All the disciples were Jews.
Or if not all,most.

It was peter that first saw the ministry expanded to the gentile. But it was Jesus that also brought them to his bosum and included them.
Jn 3;16 as well as other verses are outside the paul only, limited exegesis.

That Born again verse really muddies up the pauline exclusiveness
 
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Was / is Jesus God?
God is not a man as us. He is Spirit unlike any spirit as the father of all spirit life.

When Jesus spoke of born again,the 10 virgins,watching and waiting it was for christians.
When he forgave sins outside the Jewish law,healed both Jew and Gentile,ignored their laws of washing,and broke their sabboth,..... this is a pattern for us today. Today's christians.
Jesus never forgave sin outside of His law. The Jews had a law of their own called the law of the fathers They used those law to transgress his.

Jesus introduced the Law of love Jesus introduced turning the other cheek,going the extra mile etc. All that instruction for the modern believer.
The Holy Spirit introduced the Law of love. Jesus as an example worked it out turning the other cheek, going the extra mile etc. All that instruction for the believers of any age.

All the above is not taken serious under your template of Paul only.
What's a template of Paul only? What's the thing about Paul you seem so concerned with ?

Under the template of the Holy Spirit who put his words and thoughts on Paul lips. The aame Spirit of Christ who put his words and thoughts on the lips and tongue of Balaam Ass and restrained the madness of that false prophet.

You would be wise to admit Jesus not only knew what he was talking about, but he didn't need us to annul his intended audience.
That audience was immediate and now (the whosoevers).
Annul his intended audience ? What is that supposed to mean?

You guys are on dangerous ground by skewing the non pauline writings.

Very foolish and dangerous.
The bible has one author... God.
 
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So, you mean Jesus' earthly ministry was for all, right?

Have you already given away your property to charity, as Jesus commanded? Do you perform sacrifices? Do you absolutely keep yourself from looking at other women? (according to Jesus' teaching on earth, if you look just once you're an adulterer and adulterers will go to hell). Do you keep all 613 mitzvot?
Do you shave your head like paul?
Eat meat sacrificed to idols?
Command all women to cover their head when praying?

Obey all pauls ordinances in 1 cor 11?
 
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God is not a man as us. He is Spirit unlike any spirit as the father of all spirit life.



Jesus never forgave sin outside of His law. The Jews had a law of their own called the law of the fathers They used those law to transgress his.



The Holy Spirit introduced the Law of love. Jesus as an example worked it out turning the other cheek, going the extra mile etc. All that instruction for the believers of any age.



What's a template of Paul only? What's the thing about Paul you seem so concerned with ?

Under the template of the Holy Spirit who put his words and thoughts on Paul lips. The aame Spirit of Christ who put his words and thoughts on the lips and tongue of Balaam Ass and restrained the madness of that false prophet.



Annul his intended audience ? What is that supposed to mean?



The bible has one author... God.
You are apparently not one of the pauline only adherants.
Some of what you say is true.
 
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So, you mean Jesus' earthly ministry was for all, right?

Have you already given away your property to charity, as Jesus commanded? Do you perform sacrifices? Do you absolutely keep yourself from looking at other women? (according to Jesus' teaching on earth, if you look just once you're an adulterer and adulterers will go to hell). Do you keep all 613 mitzvot?

well if Jesus tells you to, I guess you should

but the rest of us can carry on

how about 'sermon on the mount'

do you think maybe that is more important? Paul said if he gave everything away and possess all wisdom (etc) but did not have love, he would be making a whole lotta noise and nothing more (my paraphrase at the end there)
 

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Well someone here told me recently you can't be saved without a Bible. So all those missionaries wasted their time. All those that came to faith without the Bible are in hell today. I've learned so much here. (sarcasm)

Are you saying if a person cannot read that person cannot go to the Kingdom, be saved, love God?

My friend who could not read came to me ands said, "J, you know what, I'm David." Well I thought he had snapped his buttons, and then he explained all.

WE are all David when we go to fight the enemy, in this case, Goliath. We pick up five smooth stones, and with One Stone we slay him. That stone is Jesus...…...Now I put it in my words and recollection, for this was 49 years ago. So, please refrain from sarcasm. I am not sarcastic with others nor with you. God bless you always.