Not By Works

Don't confuse yourself with the descriptive and prescriptive stuff and listen to what JESUS states:

It's very simple:

John 5:28-29
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deedsto a resurrection of judgment. "

As you can see, Jesus does not mention believers or non-believers...
you're just muddying the waters.

Thsoe reading along that want to know and please God will find these two verses VERY EASY to understand with no help from you.

Those who do GOOD DEEDS will be go to heaven.
Those who do EVIL DEEDS will go to judgement.

Are you at all aware that you're not supposed to add to scripture?
You ADD A LOT to scripture which is your own opinion.
This is called eisegesis...and is incorrect to do.

Jesus made everything simple ---why do YOU complicate everything He said??

Here is the scripture again....for those interested in what JESUS said and not what MMD says.

Mathew 7:24-27 JESUS SAID:
24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
25“And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.
26“Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
27“The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”

As anyone can clearly see, YOU added a lot to the above.
Jesus is just saying the the WISE MAN HEARS His words. I'm sure knowing Greek so well, you understand that HEARING does not mean only with the ears, but with the mind and heart.

The wise man HEARD THE WORDS OF JESUS and built his house on THE ROCK...Jesus.
THAT house did not fall when the rains came.

The foolish mand DID NOT ACT on the words of Jesus and built his house on sand, when the rains came the house FELL AND GREAT WAS ITS FALL.


See MMD.
Simple.

Do I have to post John 5:28-29 AGAIN???

I believe everyone that is reading this and WANTS to understand
DOES understand.

Apparently, not you.

Maybe there's something to it?

Mathew 7:14 JESUS SAID
"The gate is small and the way is narrow...."

Why do you think Jesus said the above if getting into heaven is as easy as YOU claim?
FAITH ONLY does NOT work for God.
God wants obedience.
And He's not requesting it.
He's demanding it.

Those that read the N.T. and actually understand it will know who is teaching the false gospel.
There is only ONE GOSPEL.
Better to get to know it.

Yes. I am so dense.
Could you please give us the post number please?
Thanks.

BTW, if YOU can't explain rightly dividing the word of truth...
I will.

Could you please explain to us what WORKS means?
I'm sure you've studied Paul, the O.T. and what Paul means by works.
Thanks.

Yes,
BUT
You NEVER explain what deeds of the Law are.

It's obvious you don't know or you'd explain it.
If you don't know what it means, maybe you could stop talking about it?

Deeds of the Law:
Works we do to try and gain God's approval but we lack the faith required to please God.
Without faith NO ONE can please God.
IF we have faith in God, the He DOES approve of our works...they are no longer done UNDER THE LAW but under grace.

We are God's hands and feet and He does require us to carry on His work here on earth.
He's not coming down here to feed the poor and clothe the naked and feed the hungry.
WE are supposed to do whatever it is God wants us to do.

Deeds of the Law are RIGHTEOUS works
Deeds of Grace are deeds God is happy about.

Hi bro,

Yes discipleship is formal and informal.

Of course I can answer your question.

Basically it boils down to

Romans 5:20 - 6:3
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Dead to Sin, Alive to God
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

So what I'm talking about here is a person who uses Gods grace to sin.

The reason I say this is because I had a close friend who was sleeping with his girlfriend. I was in the room above and I heard it all.
I was perplexed because to be honest I could not understand it.
As a believer who was messed up I did have sex before marriage.
When I did I was so wracked with guilt and was very heavy in my heart.

I asked him if he felt guilty. He said "No because God knows we are going to do it so it's already forgiven. No guilt at all.

Using grace to sin.

So what I'm trying to say is given my friend who is a believer and I quote the above verses and he turned around and says "I don't give two hoots I can do what I want and go to heaven"

Then I will question their belief in Jesus, hence their salvation.

I deliberately quoted verse 3 above 'Baptised"

I have the pleasure of baptising people.
Every person who I baptise I ask them following when they come to see me.

Romans 10:9
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Have you confessed with your mouth and believed he was raised from the dead.

I had to reject to baptising someone because they could not do that.
I asked them if they would do it and they said no.

So to me to disciple correctly is to use the word of God.
If they reject it then do they not reject Jesus as Lord and Saviour?

I'm not talking about works here.
We all know sanctification is a process and a walk.
For some its hard and for others it's easy.
The refiner in our lives will refine us and we will always seek that, even if at times we do not.

But a genuine beliver will never be happy when they have gone astray.

Those who have not made Jesus Lord will not give two hoots because they have no desire to walk on the level path God had called them walk on with him.

Does the above make sense?

1. Why did Judas take his own life out of desperation?

2. See Mathew 26:22 Who said Judas never called Jesus Lord??
22Being deeply grieved, they each one began to say to Him, “Surely not I, Lord?”

Didn't Able offer the "work of his hands"?
What's the difference?

Did you just say we have to "look at their works"??

So are you saying that we do have to work if we're saved?
Or could we just choose not to?

If an unsaved person could work,,,
why would a saved person have a problem with this?

I think the above member is right on track and understands about righteous deeds.
You might want to study up on it too....

Maybe Dcon could explain it to you ....
You seem to trust him more than you trust me.

Adam wasn't saved?
Was he lost?

Well, you're either one or the other.

He was made special by God...
He was immortal
He did not have to labor
He was the steward over the Garden
He was in harmony with the other human, with nature and with God.
He never got sick
etc

If HE wasn't saved, I don't know who was/is.

He LOST it and became lost when he sinned and DISOBEYED God.

If you could show me how Adam was LOST when God breathed life into him,,,,
but you won't be able to.


So Adam doesn't really count you say?
What about Judas?

Was HE ever saved and then became lost?
Jesus chose a LOST PERSON (a goat) to be one of the Apostles?
AND, made him the treasurer?


I'm afraid you're going to have to believe all I say like you promised to.

I have a thread called THIRD TEMPLE NEWS, I have all kinds of videos posted there. You should check it out. Most of the pages were from the Original Christian Chat, and they has Errors in Converting them, such as:

Matthew 24:2 (ESV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”

See the [SUP] just before and after the verse number, they were added during the conversion process. STRANGE ISN'T IT?


I had some of the some of the Videos by the LATEST Archaeologist Team, one of the was Jewish, actually Disappear after the Israeli Government Started investigating the dig at the site in the City of David. That Archaeologist Team, say it proved the Temple was in the City of David, and the Wall where the Jews Prayed was the Western Wall of Ft. Antonia. I suspect the Disappearance was a cover up by the ISRAELI Government, and now all you get when you click on those Videos is this WARNING:
Video unavailable
This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated.

I am highly suspicious, because this PROOF, would cause a MAJOR Disturbance in Israel. How do you tell the People that THEY have been praying at the WALL to Ft. Antonia for CENTURIES? I found Lots of opposition even among Christian here that did not agree with the Archaeologist's discoveries.

Here is a link to my Thread that was started Jul 17, 2017:

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/third-temple-news.155526/

I'm sorry for all the posts....
the time difference does cause this at times.

The exact opposite of what you think is the path and exactly why those that blend faith and works for will not make the cut....at the end of the day you do not trust JESUS, but rather yourself.......!!