Falling back slain in the spirit?

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louis

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Don't you think that even heavenly beings can do things too in and on the earth? I have had angelic encounters. They can look like men, speak like men, and act like men. And then again they may not. They all are restricted to the will of God!
Yes, I am aware angels can take any form they wish, as the bible clearly shows them taking human form at times.
This only shows that they are not restricted to having to drive a tractor, or having to perform CPR.
 
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Peter's sin was NOT intentional in that situation. It's irrelevant.
Irrelevant? Not intentional by whom? Peter," as in get thee behind me (have no other gods before me) , Satan: thou art an offence to me: for you favor not the things that be of God not seen , but those that be of men seen?

Peter was forgiven because it was against the things of man seen the temporal as the Son of man.

And if we un-intentionally blaspheme the Holy Spirit not the eternal God will he forgive us ?
 

louis

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I believe the reason the tractor was driven and the man claimed he had never been around a tractor, but did it perfectly, was to be a resounding point directly to the farmer himself. This man just gave his life to God. And then from nowhere, someone with no knowledge like the farmer possessed (operating farm equipment), operated the farm equipment to save his life. Only those of us who live on farms and operate such equipment understand using the clutch, placing it in gear, is literally nothing like you use a clutch and shift gears in a car. So, it resonates more by having someone never around such equipment, but had excellent knowledge to operate in order to save the farmers life.
If the farmer was unconscious as you claimed he was near dead, then who witnessed the stranger driving the tractor, and resuscitating the farmer?
 
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It isn't!

Here is the passage. If you can find the word, "blasphemy" in there, in any form, you quote it back, highlighted.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
 

Homewardbound

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Why do they call it 'slain in spirit' I dont understand the 'slain' part.
I would think it would have been more what Anaias and Saphirra experienced they both fell down and 'gave up the ghost'. They died!
I think it is just a "churchy" term for something that happens to someone as a genuine response to what God is saying or doing in their lives.
It is not a sign gift, nor mentioned in scripture.
 
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And if you continue reading, you can clearly see this was a teaching lesson. Before this moment, Jesus did not speak specifics to His Disciples concerning His mission was also to die. I am sure the Disciples thought the same as the Pharisee's thought when Jesus said, destroy this temple and in 3 days I will resurrect it again (they thought Jesus meant the physical Temple, not the body of Christ). The reason I believe this was a specific teaching lesson for Peter, was a few verses earlier, God revealed to Peter the true identity of Jesus. And then right away, Jesus says He is going to be captured, beaten, killed.
I still see that as blasphemy that Peter was forgiven of. Christ could not deny his own self that he had paid the full wage of Peter's sin even though Peter denied Christ again and again .

Yes to be captured, beaten, but again even after that he denied Christ over and over as God worked to form Christ in Peter, forgiving each time. Because the blasphemy was in respect to the Son of man Jesus seen ..

I hear you but I see a little different kind of teaching lesson. I think it would be more not to think we need any man to teach us as antichrists.

Prophecy that spoke of a suffering savor e beforehand had already been given like for instance in Isaiah 53. The ceremonial law of circumcision pointed ahead to our bloody husband Christ as a suffering savor before hand . The Blood of Able cries out for the gospel .all of the old testament types and shadows where used a parable until the time of reformation

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Hebrews 9:9-10

Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.1 Peter 1:10 -11
 

CharliRenee

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I was 15ish. I was at a big revival event. At the end of the service, the evangelist started laying hands on ppl and they would all fall back. I knew he coming towards me. I was, for some reason, suspicious. Even though my own dad was an evangelist, I still didn't trust what I was seeing. Well, I remember him touching me, not pushing me, and the next thing I know is I am waking up on the floor. I am not sure what happened and I didn't feel any different. I just know it happened. I am so thankful for this experience.
 

Dino246

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Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Miss the point much?
 

Dino246

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I still see that as blasphemy that Peter was forgiven of. Christ could not deny his own self that he had paid the full wage of Peter's sin even though Peter denied Christ again and again .
You are putting concepts into the text that aren't there. That is eisegesis, which is not going to get you any closer to right understanding.
 
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You are putting concepts into the text that aren't there. That is eisegesis, which is not going to get you any closer to right understanding.
What is the right understanding? Did you have a verse to show the proper?

Did I forget the un-intentional source as in universality ? Are you suggesting Peter is not responsible for rebuking God by having another god before Christ?? Was he offended?

Why did Jesus rebuke Peter if that the case as to following the wrong manner of spirit?...."thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."
 

Dino246

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What is the right understanding? Did you have a verse to show the proper?

Did I forget the un-intentional source as in universality ? Are you suggesting Peter is not responsible for rebuking God by having another god before Christ?? Was he offended?

Why did Jesus rebuke Peter if that the case as to following the wrong manner of spirit?...."thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."
Garee, the word "blasphemy" simply does not appear in that passage. No amount of scripture twisting is going to put it there.
 

Budman

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The Holy Spirit has more dignity than to be involved with those people flopping around on church floors.
 

Lanolin

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I think it is just a "churchy" term for something that happens to someone as a genuine response to what God is saying or doing in their lives.
It is not a sign gift, nor mentioned in scripture.
Oh ok.
What about 'impacted' thats a word often used in certain churches. I was impacted by the gospel.

Not 'blown away' or 'blown up' but ....impacted. Theres all these weird churchy words that dont make sense in .english.
 

Dino246

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The Holy Spirit has more dignity than to be involved with those people flopping around on church floors.
There are certainly a lot of excesses, and a lot of "flesh" in such situations. However, I personally knew a man who 'flopped around on the church floor' while God dealt with his heart. He was changed in that encounter, and the fruit of it was the fruit of the Spirit in his life.
 

Dino246

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Is the principle there?
If you were to say, "This situation might be called blasphemy, but Scripture doesn't use that term", you'd be on solid ground. If you were to say, "This is an example of blasphemy", you would be on shaky ground. You could not point to this as an example of blasphemy and call similar activities blasphemy, simply because Scripture doesn't call it such.
 

Budman

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There are certainly a lot of excesses, and a lot of "flesh" in such situations. However, I personally knew a man who 'flopped around on the church floor' while God dealt with his heart. He was changed in that encounter, and the fruit of it was the fruit of the Spirit in his life.
There's a lot of psychosomatic nonsense going on. God can deal with a person's heart without sacrificing their dignity by having them act like they're being electrocuted.
 

Dino246

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There's a lot of psychosomatic nonsense going on. God can deal with a person's heart without sacrificing their dignity by having them act like they're being electrocuted.
Yes, He can. And He can work through indignity as well. Remember Michal's response to David when he danced before the Lord with most of his clothing removed. Sometimes the person's sense of "dignity" is the very thing standing between that person and God's purposes in his or her life.

I would encourage you to try to find support in Scripture for your position. :)