Not By Works

Jesus said faith could be "temporary." The faith that brings us to Christ as a saving faith is eternal and not temporary. Our salvation is forever. So you are speaking about 2 different things.

Faith unto salvation is eternal.

Faith day to day can be strong, weak but if one is saved, it will never be lost.

Hi Walking tree, nice to meet you. So when you refer to the word, "it", as in, "God didn't forsake", "it", then I can surmise that you are referring to God's "Law."

And also I counted the word "law" was used 20 times in just a few paragraphs so again to follow your thoughts correctly you believe that as a true believer of Jesus we are required to follow the Law?, or am I not reading your words correctly.

how many times a day do I have to confess in order to be saved?

is it the same from one day to the next?

do I have to confess more on the Sabbath?

just wondering.....

'falling-away' - denying - ??? are these really a possibility to those who claim that this
cannot happen???

Confess your sins?


What are you taking about?


Please just answer the question.


Can a person be saved by disobeying the Gospel.



in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Thessalonians 1:8



But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” Romans 10:16



To obey the Gospel is to confess Jesus as Lord.


This is how we are saved.


For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:10

• with the mouth confession is made unto salvation

JLB

the Gospel is " believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved ".

and, as far as confession , the same sentence says " and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead ''

it is not wise to quote half a sentence and build theology around it.

trying to be deceptive......

the Gospel is " believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved ".

and, as far as confession , the same sentence says " and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead ''

it is not wise to quote half a sentence and build theology around it.

trying to be deceptive......

the Gospel is " believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved ".

and, as far as confession , the same sentence says " and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead ''

it is not wise to quote half a sentence and build theology around it.

trying to be deceptive......

Believing as it is “understood” today is only half.


If you read what I quoted, Romans 10:10 you won’t see “half” of a verse.


For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:10


This is not half of a verse.


What I am emphasizing is the principle of faith that many overlook today, which is the obedience part of Romans 10:10.


Believe actually carries the idea of obedience.

Unbelief is the same Greek word as disobedience and is used interchangeably in the New Testament.


Believe is the context of the Gospel means trust and commit to obey Jesus as Lord.


The Gospel is repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.


Repent means to turn to God.


If you are called to repent, turn to God, then by default you are called to turn away from Satan as your lord, by turning to Christ Jesus as your Lord.


The way we obey the Gospel is to repent by confessing Jesus as Lord.


Here is Paul recounting the Lord Jesus commissioning him to do this.


Words of Christ in red for emphasis-


But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’

“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:16-20



Can we discuss this principle of faith further?





JLB

... It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. THE LORD WILL PUNISH MEN FOR ALL SUCH SINS, as we have already told you and WARNED YOU. For GOD DID NOT CALL YOU TO BE IMPURE, BUT TO LIVE A HOLY LIFE. Therefore, HE WHO REJECTS THIS INSTRUCTION DOES NOT REJECT MAN BUT GOD, who gives you his Holy Spirit. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8

... Therefore, PREPARE YOUR MINDS FOR ACTION; be self-controlled; SET YOUR HOPE FULLY ON THE GRACE TO BE GIVEN YOU WHEN JESUS CHRIST IS REVEALED. As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:13-16

... But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

...I know your deeds, you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.2 Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE IN THE SIGHT OF MY GOD.3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT, AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3

...See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, IF WE TURN AWAY FROM HIM WHO WARNS US FROM HEAVEN? Hebrews 12:25

it's like this - we ae saved by grace through faith for good works.

that is the order- salvation is from God the Father through Christ the Son, we have faith, trust ( belief ) in Him, and then we are empowered by the Holy Sprit to do good works.

but, obeying does NOT , NOT , NOT , produce or maintain salvation.

How about is we disobey His commandments, say, the one He says to forgive?


Looks look at what He taught us about that.



Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
“So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.” Matthew 18:32-35


If we refused to forgive wouldn’t that be transgressing the doctrine (teaching) of Christ.


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
2 John 9



JLB

descriptive vs prescriptive

Get that wrong and you end up with works salvation!

If you can identify all this about my post why didn't you see the heart of the message?

I answered plainly then explained my answer. The answer isn't a simple yes or no. The Spirit does not use the law for righteousness sake, but the law is of the Spirit. God writes his law upon our hearts through the Spirit. They are all observed through faith. And the works they produced are not our own.
To try and divide the two pitting one against the other is where many go astray.
But righteousness is offered apart from works of the law. It's attained through faith.

Amen. We are not born again, regenerated by doing good deeds.


However, I will point out that we must obey the Gospel, by repenting;
Turning to God.



JLB

How about is we disobey His commandments, say, the one He says to forgive?


Looks look at what He taught us about that.



Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
“So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.” Matthew 18:32-35


If we refused to forgive wouldn’t that be transgressing the doctrine (teaching) of Christ.


Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
2 John 9



JLB

My question was a simple yes or no and your defensiveness is unwanted. Your final statement is what I was asking you to clarify and I will thank you for that.

Hmm... So YOUR salvation depends on YOU forgiving others. I am beyond grateful My Salvation depends on CHRIST forgiving me because of HIS Blood and Righteousness!

What Jesus is saying is DESCRIPTIVE NOT PRESCRIPTIVE of what a Born Again Child of God WILL do.