Not By Works

Melancthon also went back on the Doctrine of Justification by faith alone after Luther's death running back into the arms of Rome. It was Chemnitz who had to reach in and save the Lutheran movement back then.

VCO,
It seems that everything YOU believe is truth, and everything others believe is a lie.
Some of us know about calvinism without having to listen to a 30 minute YouTube video.

Would you be willing to explain what the U in TULIP means to you, in your own words?

Justification by faith alone is believed by every church I could think of at this moment.
Sanctification is not by faith alone and requires some action on our part.

Hey hey.

Im one of these guys. I always believe I never forgive anyone properly.

I just say it, and I dont revenge anything, (vengeance is the Lord's) and I'll pray to God to bless them. And I feel like its not enough. Because in the back of my head im still going "maaan... **** that ******* ***** *** *****"

So clearly i didnt properly forgive that person. What exactly does God mean by forgiving others? Does it just mean to not curse them and not revenge? But rather bless them and keep it moving? Thats what I do, I hope its enough.

So are you against the disease of the Westminster Confession as well?
Consider the fact that there is no Calvinism per se. It is just a contrivance, a label.
The Reformation was a deviation to the mean: from Rome back to biblical accuracy

True, but even the action on our part (the good we do that is acceptable before God) is due to faith alone on account of Christ alone.

Hebrews 11:6 KJV
[6] But without faith it is impossible to please him : for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

I don't know why these 'isms' are so hard to accept. All it is is a stream of like minded Christians flowing from the blood of Jesus.

Different ministrations?

Don't try to tell me the perfect has come when we have members of one body shooting arrows at each other. Directed moreso at another thread but am being lazy.

Looks like a war zone here at times.

I think you have it pretty much right. You accept him in the fellowship if he repents, but you do not condone the deed, as it remains in your mind as an example of bad theology, or bad behavior; which you do not hold it as a grudge against that person. However, we are not to tolerate FALSE DOCTRINE. Now if he continues to spew False Doctrine, you have to protect the lambs, and after the Second Warning, you are to have nothing to do with him.


Titus 3:9-11 (HCSB)
9 But avoid foolish debates, genealogies, quarrels, and disputes about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10 Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sins, being self-condemned.

2 Thessalonians 3:13-15 (HCSB)
13 Brothers, do not grow weary in doing good.
14 And if anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take note of that person; don’t associate with him, so that he may be ashamed.
15 Yet don’t treat him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

Ephesians 5:7-11 (HCSB)
7 Therefore, do not become their partners.
8 For you were once darkness, but now ⌊you are⌋ light in the Lord. Walk as children of light—
9 for the fruit of the light ⌊results⌋ in all goodness, righteousness, and truth—
10 discerning what is pleasing to the Lord.
11 Don’t participate in the fruitless works of darkness, but instead expose them.

Godsgrace101...

Sanctifation is Gods Spirit within us. He may direct us to move but the ability is His. Unless you are talking about baking a cake for your new neighbor. That's cultural.

Even though the baby will go to heaven it doesn't negate the murder on the mother, father, and doctors head. Maybe in a sense it is a "favor" to the child, who was robbed of life for the parents convenience, but doesn't change the fact that they are murderers. How is God glorified in that? That is NOT good. Not that hard to think through the fact the baby would have been better off born to two loving parents, together in Christ excited to raise this blessing God gave them. Make sense?

Amen...the faith that Jesus begins, finishes, and COMPLETES..........

While I fully agree that Christianity is growing cold and we see many beginning to become more worldly in their walk, we cannot alleviate that by the word "AND" the apostasy is tied unto the Man of Sin and his revealing.......just saying.....

2nd Thessalonians 2

What about the child's destiny? He/she are robbed of fulfilling the reason why they were conceived. IMO

Calvinism is the disease of the last days Church.


If you knew this doctrine you would whole heartedly agree.


Please study to show yourself approved.


JPT

I don’t know what it says.

I agree, but brother I feel the fire. Here in my community I feel it in the air and see it everywhere. The absolute power of truth reigns supreme over all. His power, the change I see even in multiple people in the jail I can SEE Him changing and working in them, and it's strait up exciting. He is growing me to "go", and gives me the confidence to proclaim that truth in power, in the jail, at the nursing home, at work, at the bank, at home. It's just overflowing in me and it's indescribable to watch His power at work. That's where my heart is now, on fire to declare Jesus King over everything.

BTW this is just declaring what was on my heart, not trying to "teach, correct, debate, rebuke" anything at all about what you said. Just to be clear.

AND SALVATION IS NOT A REWARD, IT IS A FREE GIFT.

Rewards are Like the Laurel Wreath Crowns award to the winning of a race.


2 Timothy 2:5 (NIV)
5 Similarly, if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not receive the victor's crown unless he competes according to the rules.

1 Corinthians 9:25 (HCSB)
25 Now everyone who competes exercises self-control in everything. However, they do it to receive a crown that will fade away,
but we a crown that will never fade away.

1 Thessalonians 2:19 (ASV)
19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of glorying? Are not even ye, before our Lord Jesus at his coming?

1 Thessalonians 2:19 (KJV)
19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?

1 Thessalonians 2:19 (NASB)
19 For who is our hope or joy or crown of exultation? Is it not even you, in the presence of our Lord Jesus at His coming?

2 Timothy 4:8 (HCSB)
8 There is reserved for me in the future the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give me on that day, and not only to me, but to all those who have loved His appearing.

James 1:12 (HCSB)
12 A man who endures trials is blessed, because when he passes the test he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love Him.

1 Peter 5:4 (HCSB)
4 And when the chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory.

Revelation 2:10 (HCSB)
10 Don’t be afraid of what you are about to suffer. Look, the Devil is about to throw some of you into prison to test you, and you will have affliction for 10 days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Revelation 3:11 (HCSB)
11 I am coming quickly. Hold on to what you have, so that no one takes your crown.


You can lose your Crowns, but NOT YOUR SALVATION, IF YOU HAVE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, because it is a FREE GIFT. You lose your crowns by listening to False Doctrine or a False Gospel. 1 Cor. 3:12-15


There are several crowns mentioned in the Apocrypha, that may not be biblical:

Wisdom of Solomon 5:16 (NJB)
16 So they will receive the glorious crown and the diadem of beauty from the Lord's hand; for he will shelter them with his right hand and with his arm he will shield them.

Sirach 1:11 (NJB)
11 The fear of the Lord is glory and pride, happiness and a crown of joyfulness.

Sirach 32:2 (NJB)
2 Having discharged your duties, take your place so that your joy may be through theirs, and you may receive the crown for your competence.

Sirach 1:18 (NJB)
18 The crown of wisdom is to fear the Lord: she makes peace and health flourish.

I agree that works of our own accord does not save, but it is the works done by Jesus Christ that does. Works done without faith is nothing just like faith without works is dead. This reminds me of this passage: Matthew 25:31-46

Hi Justpassinthrough, I have never met you or have had a conversation with you and yet you come here on a public forum and throw insults at me. So far you have proven yourself to be overcritical, boastful, intolerant, and vindictive and you just cannot let something go.

Sure it's enough.
First of all, we can only do what we can do. It's the effort that God appreciates.
What God means by forgiving others is to not hate them and not hold their action to you against them.
It means to free them from the harm they've done to you...at least in your mind, if not yet in your heart.
I do find that if we start, we will go all the way. This might take years...it all depends on what the harm done was about.

And because you haven't forgotten doesn't mean you haven't forgiven.
And you're right....forgive means to not curse them and leave the revenge to God...as you said.
Plus, there's karma...what goes around comes around.

I like to pray that they could come to know God.
We're God's creatures---we can only do our best.