Not By Works

Thank you, Endoscopy God has been really good to me... and continues to pour His blessings into my life

I designed this one yesterday morning after hearing this praise and worship song for the 1st time...

I toured a hidden Underground City of that used to house several thousand people, from the Barbarians. It was near Goreme, Turkey, back in 1969 when I was there in the USAF. It had 11 massive floors with a narrow stooped over tunnel down to the next floor, with a LARGE Rolling in a slot for security reasons. There was a central air vent were from the third Floor down, (only three floors were open to the Public when I was there), and I could see blue sky looking up that shaft. Afterwards I when up the low rise of the baron hill, trying to find the Exit Hole, and after a half hour the bus was going to leave, SO THEY HIT THE EXIT HOLE GOOD. This video is in Turkish, so you can at least see the how elaborate the tunnel system. really was. The round hole in the rolling stone rock was so a single archer could pick off enemy soldiers coming down that narrow hallway.

Cool.......I bet push come to shove there are cities like this all over the world....the one I am talking about is called Coober Pedy between Alice Springs and Adelaide.........would love to go stay a few nights just to say I did it haha

That video is touring several ruins in the same region. but that hidden entrance in the Rock is the Underground City Entrance. Could be, because those were dangerous times.

God chose all who will be in heaven, it's called the doctrine of election. He is Sovereign in election and according to his purpose it is done.

The thing is you're a Romans 9:20 man and don't like this. Calvinists don't believe God chose any for hell, but we do know he has according to his purpose passed over some. But to you this is unfair, and you're not in the least bit afraid to accuse God of this being unfair unless he succumbs to your whims and ideology of what is fair. That and yo'll just keep repeating the straw man accusation you've given above.

What have you read in attempt to enhance your understanding of Scripture? (can't wait for this answer!) You really should do some reading and advance off of your poorly constructed verse-ology to some proper exegetical and contextual interpretation. I'd suggest some reading, but given your behavior thus far, and your several false accusations certainly you'd just ridicule the effort and brag on yourself about not needing "to learn from man" which by the way is unBiblical as well.

Concerning babies the LORD of all the earth will do what is right, he always does, even when he Sovereignly decrees to exercise only justice on some and reprobate them via passing over them and giving them up to their own evil desires. You have a problem with this, even in the face of Scripture that shows these truths to you.

I was once in your camp, held your errant beliefs then by God's grace looked at all the Scripture concerning these things and bowed my knees to our Sovereign and Holy God. The Potter has full right to do as he wills with the clay, he does not bow to our logic or rules of what we deem fair.

While you're on here fighting the works salvationists, you in essence are one yourself and I will explain:

The mere fact that you believe God chose you because of your behavior in choosing him by your pure love for God and coming to him not like a robot but out of your own goodness for him is evidence of this fact. That is not grace, it is merit. No one is saved via human decision, on this Scripture is clear yet you continue to teach this, going along as if you've turned a blind eye to this Biblical truth. God chooses those whom he wills to save based on not one thing they have ever done, whether good or bad that his purpose of election might stand. It is therefore Soli Deo Gloria.

Yet you're not able to believe this because you can't get past this false notion that you simply received a gift. No, you received a reward for your behavior because in your gospel you have God looking down through time rewarding those who choose with eternal life. Therefore your gospel of salvation is not 100% salvation by God's grace.

Perhaps one day God will open your eyes to the truth of how he saves -- it had nothing to do with you choosing. God does as he wills with his creation, not all hear, not all are saved, which should cause us to stand in awe of God, in awe of his justice, mercy and grace.

Now, go ahead and get your last word in on this issue, I pray God opens your eyes to the truth, Ephesians 1:15-23.

Jesus Answers in john 6. It is Gods will (the will of the father) That whoever sees and believes will never hunger, never die, live forever, HAS eternal life and will be raised on the last day (Oh and never be lost)

God predestines based on this fact!

I wonder which is worse.

Legalists saying eternal does not mean eternal

Or others who say ALL or EVERYONE does not mean ALL or EVERYONE?

Speaking of songs, Here is a great song I found last night, Wanted to share.. Enjoy!!
Bethlehemian Rhapsody

Ok how do you get the youtube video to show up on page.. and not just the link?

Here ya go Brother. Pretty cool, thanks.

First, I just posted the "requirements" the Christ of the Bible placed on Salvation, and you completely ignored them siting your own religious tradition instead. Then you deflect for His Word's and try to make this about me, when it isn't about me. You know nothing about me. And even if I were a bank robber, that would have absolutely no bearing on what the Word of God teaches.

Salvation wasn't created by the Pope BM. It is a gift of God that not everyone who claims it receives. These are Biblical facts I wish to discuss, but "many" who come in His name, deflect from the discussion. As you just did.

23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

Matt. 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. (IS NOT Worthy of the free Gift)

Just because you don't believe in His Word's doesn't make them untrue. Religious man has been rejecting His Word's since Abel was killed by his "Christian" brother Cain. Jesus said "many" would do so today as well. I don't want to be of that "many". Does that make me a reprobate in your religion?

Rom. 3:
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

What if Jesus is right, and it is a religion which calls Him Lord, Lord, but refuses to do as He says that is wrong. I know "many" have been convinced, as was Eve and the examples of religious men in Matt. 23, that they are already saved, all set. Peace, peace. But what if the Word's of Christ are right, and the deception is not God's Word's at all, but religions of the land?

Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


Then why don't you "believe" what He says? Why must you refuse to answer questions about Him. Why do you make claims in direct opposition to His Words.

Of course I have departed from lawlessness. I fight against the temptations to reject God's Word every day. I fight, using God's Armor, against the "wiles of the devil" every day. Am I perfect yet? No, not yet. But "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." And I have Faith that when I fall, as all children do, He is Faithful to pick me up and continue to direct my footsteps. Is this not the Gospel?

In your religion, does satan promote obedience to God or disobedience to God?

Can you site one example of a "demand" I made on you that I have not placed on myself? You are the one claiming His Free gift as your own, So you should be able to provide at least one example where I have made a demand on you that I haven't placed on myself.

If you can't, then maybe you should spend your time on that BEAM, and less time ridiculing folks who "believe" in the Christ of the Bible..

True. God has chosen, before the foundation of the world, to save anyone who will believe in Christ.

You contradicted yourself. If God has chosen to "pass over some" where are they going - New Jersey?

It actually would be unfair. And contradictory to God's very nature (see 2 Peter 3:9). To choose (sorry - "pass over") some for hell, without giving them a chance, is not the God of the Bible.

If Christ indeed died for the sins of the entire world (which Scripture clearly teaches He did) that means, ummm...the whole world! That means God's pardon is available to every single person.

I don't recall ever saying I don't need to "learn from man" (post please) but even if I did, my point would be that the Holy spirit is the one who interprets Scripture for believers (1 John 2:27). God certainly didn't make the plan of salvation complicated. Error creeps in when people take verses out of context - completely ignoring the totality of Scripture.

And if you ever saw my library, you wouldn't imply that I'm not a "reader".

Wow. And I mean WOW! You completely misinterpreted what I believe and have been saying.

Let me clarify so you cannot, in the future, claim I believe something that I do not.

I believe all men are wretched sinners, incapable of doing good (remember the "filthy rags" verse?) We are all lost and on our way to hell. We won't even seek God on our own. But God in His mercy, draws men to Himself through common grace. Meaning, He offers salvation through Christ's sacrifice on the cross, as a gift, to all people. How can He do this? Because the sin debt has been paid. Jesus died for the sins of the entire world.

But, a pardon is only as good as it's acceptance. One can choose to reject God's mercy. God has predestined to save anyone who will believe in Jesus for eternal life. Belief is the only requirement. (See John 1:12; 3:16; 5:24; 6:47; 11:25-27; 20:30-31).

Our good works, before or after conversion, have no bearing on our salvation. A Christian's good works justify us before men, not God, and are the basis for rewards, or lack of, at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Period.

"But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many." (Romans 5:15)

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. " (Romans 6:23)

"Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.” (John 4:10)

"He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?" (Romans 8:32)

"Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!" (2 Corinthians 9:15)

"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God:" (Ephesians 2:8)

Clear enough?

Now, you've danced around this long enough, and I would simply like a yes or no answer:

Are there babies in hell?