Not By Works

Hello forum, I challenge anyone here to read through Studyman's post and tell me you cannot see a thoroughly selfish man who lacks concern for those people less fortunate than Studyman's, who find that their life is unraveling and spinning downward and out of control. They need a Savior like right now.

The poison that proceeds from Studyman's words is exactly how the Pharisee's view people who fell below their social status. And this is why Jesus pronounced "Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees"

Studyman has no room for humility because it will just interfere with, and leave no room for, his enormous pride. And God forbid anyone should sin an violate one of Studymans' special categories of sin, oh my goodness no.

Quote Studyman said: Post#78,534
There were many drunkards and poor people in Christ's time that He had the power to help, but didn't.

I might remind you it isn't a sin to drink or gamble. A man might be consumed with these things which can cause sin, but these things are not sin.

Creating images of God in the likeness of man "is sin." Rejecting God's Sabbath "is sin." Creating your own "Feasts unto the Lord" "is sin."

So while your "works" of feeding random poor people in Christ's Name surely looks righteous, and surly causes you to receive the praise of man, if a person practices "Lawlessness" Jesus doesn't know you. His Word's not mine. Isn't this exactly what Jesus was speaking to in Matt. 7?

I say these things not to anger you, but as the Christ did to those who created their own Righteousness in His Time, to shake you a little so can see the Elephant in the room, and humble yourself under the Mighty Hand of God.

Other City and County Ordinances that Men habitually VIOLATE.

1 Peter 2:13-15 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--

The Evil one will say that, the grace of the evil one.

That was the lie He told eve.

If you disobey you shall not surely die..

Genesis 3:4-5 (KJV)
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Might I suggest a thread or a forum where a gossip, backbiting, defaming people can spout their tripe rather than flood the forum with it.
However It is a sin to be drunk. And the money one would gamble with is not theirs it is GOD's.

1Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Cor 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Cor 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

We are to do all we do to the glory of GOD.

We are not to put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall before our brethren. So if my brother is offended (caused to stumble: sin due to an addicted or excessive nature ) by my meat (my drinking or gambling, etc; etc ) I will eat no flesh (not drink or gamble, etc.) while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend (to stumble; sin). 1Cor 8:13

Mark 9:42 “If anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a huge millstone tied around his neck and to be thrown into the sea.

would 'causing to sin' include trying to indoctrinate someone into a pseudo-faith which contradict this?

Sure. But please let's Not deter the context to which the post was posted to Studyman.

Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8-10)

Is this suggested forum a place where you could continue your defamation of others by calling them lost, instead of your doing it on the several forums here now? If so, agreed, we need a separate forum for that. Or, you could grow up and stop doing it altogether? The latter is a much better alternative in my honest opinion, Hebrews 12:14. You could decide to pursue peace with others, or, you could continue your callow misinformed and accusatory diatribes. Up to you my friend.

likewise

... HE WILL PUNISH THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW GOD AND DO NOT OBEY THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS. THEY WILL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you. With this in mind, we constantly pray for you, that our God may count you worthy of his calling, and that by his power he may fulfill every good purpose of yours and every act prompted by your faith.2 Thessalonians 1:8-11

Who are those who DO NOTt KNOW God and DO NOT OBEY the Gospel of our LORD Jesus?

...We know that WE HAVE COME TO KNOW HIM IF WE OBEY HIS COMMANDS. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. 1 John 2:3-4

...They claim to know God, but BY THEIR ACTIONS THEY DENY HIM. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and unfit for doing anything good. Titus 1:16

...They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and DENY JESUS CHRIST our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4

...for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty
and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 5:24

...But THE COWARDLY, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.7 Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians5:6

Great texts on those who are lost, and that describe the difference between the converted and the not. They are not texts on what a person has to start doing to gain eternal life.

you guys love to quote 1st John for command keeping.

yet, all you deceivers fail to mention that John said the commands we are to keep are to " believe in the name of the Son and love one another ";

so, trying to deceive people into believing that command keeping saves is violating that command, don't you think?

Confusing descriptive passages of scripture with prescriptive passages of scripture remains his achilles’ heel.

...As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. James 2:26


...teaching them to OBEY WHATEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU… Matthew 28:18-20


...And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and TO LOVE one another as he commanded us.1 John 3:23


...And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6


For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but also to suffer for him, Philippians 1:29


How can those who CLAIM to be saved thru Faith ALONE suffer for Christ if they believe and insist that no works of any sort is needed, but to believe/faith ALONE is sufficient to be saved.


Does a person who teaches obedience to God cause another person to sin by doing so?


Would any person who don't have FAITH in God teach obedience to God? Or would the deceiver be TEACHING obedience to God as a deception? Would he not rather teach DISOBEDIENCE in His attempt to deceive the believers?


Is it not those who condemn those who teach obedience to God who DOES NOT HAVE FAITH in God and CAUSES A PERSON TO SIN?


Is it not that sin is the transgression of the law?(1 john 3:4)

Is it obedience to God to break the law?


Did the Holy servants of God such as the prophets and the apostles OBEYED and taught OBEDIENCE to God?


Who then causes another person to sin?


...At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

2 He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3 And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

5 “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6 But IF ANYONE CAUSES ONE OF THESE LITTLE ONES WHO “BELIEVE” IN ME TO SIN, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

7 “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but WOE TO THE MAN THROUGH WHOM THEY COME FROM! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be THROWN INTO ETERNAL FIRE. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be THROWN INTO THE FIRE OF HELL. matthew 18:1-9


...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 john 2:3-6


...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8


...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT. ephesians 5:6

Then salvation isn't a gift at all, but something to be earned through our own efforts.

Good to see you as well. I see little has changed here!